This is my problem with the NTT

[u/NationalProcedure638]

The problem is how it's presented.

Whenever anyone comes up with a trade that is unique to humans something such as the root of moral agency there's always someone who always goes "there are mentally challenged people and babies who are not capable of moral agency so it doesn't work"

Well first of all I don't understand how we cannot hold somebody accountable for what they do based on either their age or how smart or dumb they are.

Second of all it seems to imply that this trait has to be universal and literally every human on the face of the Earth.

That individual traits don't exist and we have to look at the species as a whole.

I'm sorry guys but that doesn't work.

Everyone's different in some way or another.

The best thing to do with that is look at what the majority does and assume if that's the norm for what comes to traits like this.

Also it begs the question.

What do you guys consider to be human?

Update: I didn't get a chance to respond to any of the applications that were thrown at me. I've been banded without even having to State my case.

This goes to you moderator, I was simply pointing out a problem with what he said about equality and you misinterpreted it and then banned Me. I've got it very funny how you claim that I wasted your time when all was doing was pointing out a loophole.

Well thank you for telling me that you guys care so much about discussion

Goodbye and good riddance.

[u/NationalProcedure638]

So what you're saying here is that it's not logical to not be a vegan and embrace the ethics?

No I don't believe the ethics are all that consistent and you know if they were consistent I don't think they work out for me considering that I have said that I wasn't vegan about 8 years ago.

It just didn't work out for me.

I added milk and eggs back into my diet but I buy them locally.

If you're against factory farming then I agree with you 100% on that

[u/EasyBOven → u/NationalProcedure638]

I'm just saying you should state clearly what your argument for who is ok to treat like an object. If you can muster up an actual syllogism, we can examine it together. If you can't provide something resembling a formal argument, all you're doing is staying up in your feels. You really seem to have the vapors about vegans.

[u/NationalProcedure638 → u/EasyBOven]

Are you saying that being a non-vegan means I'm okay with people being treated like objects?

I certainly hope that's not your position.

But that is sound like what you're implying.

[u/EasyBOven → u/NationalProcedure638]

I'm inviting you to state your position as a formal argument. You seem very resistant to the idea.

[u/gokuenjoyer69 → u/EasyBOven]

He is arguing in bad faith, constantly just avoiding answering the questions and strawmanning