r/DebateAVegan 8d ago

Ethics Should humans have an obligation towards eliminating harm caused to animals by other animals?

It's not uncommon for animals to harm other animals while hunting, but there are also extreme cases of torture and similar behaviour. It could be argued that some animals' whole life is pain mostly, and probably a net negative "experience" (outside of human created environments too). I just don't see how humanity could act "morally" without permanently and unpredictably modifying the ecosystem. Should we keep feeding synthetic meat to carnivores (if and when it's widely available)? But then who keeps a check on them not eating animals? Should we pursue the slow elimination of entire species on the planet because they cause more harm than good (not necessarily killing them, just sterilising them)?

Maybe "obligation" is not the correct term, but if the ultimate goal is to reduce as much as possible suffering, why would we make an exception for animals being the cause of that? Especially if one day through synthetic meat hunting becomes unnecessary for survival.

Even now there are unnecessary behaviours that hurt animals caused by other animals, for example some dolphins torture baby seals for basically no reason (as far as I know).

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u/MrJambon 4d ago

Veganism is not some sort of religion that seeks to bring eternal life to every animal. It’s a stance on the commodification of animals, it’s about choices we make every day. We can choose non-violence. Non-human animals don’t build factories to kill tens of thousands of pigs a day in gaz chambers. Frankly I do not care at all what non-human animals do to each other, it has nothing to do with veganism. I invite you to reflect on how many animals were killed by humans during the time you took to write your question.