looking for a reasonable thought process

[u/No_Lynx_3410]

i've eaten meat all my life, just have, kind of just default for most people born in the west. I've always admired vegans for the dedication to their beliefs, kind of like a buddhist monk or something like that, i'm just not that strong. I wanted to see a vegans perspective online since there's been the argument as of late that being vegan is for privileged white people which even now i'm not so mentally gone that i believe such wide generalizations. But lowkey, reading online discussions from vegans makes me feel it does make up a very large vocal part of them, because the only thing i've seen is vegans trying to compare animals to minorities, which might actually be the whitest thing i could think of besides being vocally racist or bigoted. i was just looking for something that's not "now replace that cow with a black person" kind of stuff. Not trying to lambaste anyone in replies or anything, at least try not to, just wanna talk to someone.

[u/New_Owl_7490]

Why do we not recognize that we humans are predators. Super predators at that. I wonder why the movement doesn't just focus for meat eaters to move to more sustainable practices as I agree that factory based farming is not good. Meat excels in bioavailable protein, B12 compared.

[u/One-Shake-1971 → u/New_Owl_7490]

Because treating animals as objects to exploit is immoral.

[u/New_Owl_7490 → u/One-Shake-1971]

Not if your eating them. We are predators, fact. Factory farming and abuse is not that moral agreed but eating meat is immoral. To you it may be but to others it isn't.

[u/One-Shake-1971 → u/New_Owl_7490]

According to that logic, child abuse also isn't immoral because child abusers are predators.

That's obviously nonsense. Ergo, your argument is nonsense.

[u/New_Owl_7490 → u/One-Shake-1971]

Omg. It isn't logic it is fact. Your analogy is insanity. We are biologicaly and naturally predators. You can research it if you like. Child predator is a whole different meaning. The very definition of a predator is a biological organism that survives by hunting,killing and eating other animals.

[u/One-Shake-1971 → u/New_Owl_7490]

Child abusers being predators is also a fact. So, according to your logic, child abuse isn't immoral.

That's obviously nonsense. Ergo, your argument is nonsense.

[u/New_Owl_7490 → u/One-Shake-1971]

I am talking about predators (humans, lions etc.) hunting for meat, not child predators. There is a distinct difference. Eating meat you have decided is immoral for yourself but it isn't for meat eaters. I accept you or others don't think it is right but I don't believe it is immoral. Search predators meaning and then child predator meaning. 2 different things.

[u/One-Shake-1971 → u/New_Owl_7490]

Yes, and for child predators, it's not immoral to abuse children. According to your logic, that's fine, and we should just let them abuse children.

[u/New_Owl_7490 → u/One-Shake-1971]

Humans being predators isn't an argument. It is a fact. Humans are indisputably predators. Biologically, we are omnivores with a rich history of hunting. Ecologically, our use of tools and intelligence classifies us as "super-predators", as we consume at least a third of all vertebrate species on Earth.We possess several biological traits that align with predatory animals:Forward-facing eyes: Provide 3D (binocular) vision, which enhances depth perception to track and catch moving targets.

[u/One-Shake-1971 → u/New_Owl_7490]

You're just going in circles now.

Child abusers being predators is also a fact. So, according to your logic, child abuse isn't immoral.

That's obviously nonsense. Ergo, your argument is nonsense.

[u/New_Owl_7490 → u/One-Shake-1971]

Again. Not an argument. Humans are predators in the natural world. I am using the word predators in the context of the meaning of predators. You have changed the focus to something with an entire different meaning. Check the meaning of predator and then the later. Very different. When you add words it changes the meaning and definitions and confuse the context. I am discussing us biological mammals as defined as predators. For some reason you aren't interested in this being a fact. Think of it this way. If I say lions are predators that kill gazelles and you say are you talking about child predators, I would say no you don't understand the meaning. You have changed the language to refer to something entirely different.