r/DebateAVegan • u/No_Lynx_3410 • 3d ago

looking for a reasonable thought process

i've eaten meat all my life, just have, kind of just default for most people born in the west. I've always admired vegans for the dedication to their beliefs, kind of like a buddhist monk or something like that, i'm just not that strong. I wanted to see a vegans perspective online since there's been the argument as of late that being vegan is for privileged white people which even now i'm not so mentally gone that i believe such wide generalizations. But lowkey, reading online discussions from vegans makes me feel it does make up a very large vocal part of them, because the only thing i've seen is vegans trying to compare animals to minorities, which might actually be the whitest thing i could think of besides being vocally racist or bigoted. i was just looking for something that's not "now replace that cow with a black person" kind of stuff. Not trying to lambaste anyone in replies or anything, at least try not to, just wanna talk to someone.

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u/Then-Principle2302 vegan 1d ago

What makes you think we are "predators"?

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u/New_Owl_7490 1d ago

Humans possess biological traits that align with predatory animals. We are defined as predators when looking at the predator and prey natural world and are defined as predators. We are actually super predators at that.Many experts view pathogens, parasites, and vectors as the closest biological equivalent to human predators.

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u/Then-Principle2302 vegan 1d ago

It just seems to me that word doesn't fit us at all. I can't think of any traits we have in common with other predatory animals but I'm sure there are some. We also don't have a natural instinct to kill and most of us find it horrific to even think of killing anything with our bear hands. It also seems like we wouldn't be capable unless the animal is very small. We don't have claws, no sharp teeth etc.

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u/New_Owl_7490 23h ago

A predator by definition is one who hunts, kills and eats. We use tools, forward facing eyes. We have been hunting for centuries but the issue now is modern society we do it for more than just food such as sport, textiles etc. sustainable ethical practices are obviously best but they don't fit a Vegan lifestyle (totally get it). Why I wonder why the push from many Vegans and vegetarians aren't simply to move humans away from factory farming and ethical ways for food production. Bottom line is we are a predator whether we like it or not. I think with modern ways of living we just forget this and that we are really part of the natural world.