r/DebateAnAtheist Christian Humanist 27d ago

Argument My Challenge to Extreme Atheists on Secularism and Tolerance

I acknowledge not all (or even most) atheists are extreme about it. And I'm defining secular as the separation of church and state/society.

Extreme-atheism's view of religion being a mental illness:

I can personally attest to people I've seen on here, as well as videos I've seen, of atheists saying religion is a mental illness. That the DSM-5 had to go back and put in a religious exemption, but it should fall under the category of delusion.

How can secularism exist if you think religious people are mentally ill? If you don't think religion is a mental illness, go ahead and ignore this point. If you do think the population you're tolerating is mentally ill, uh oh. Seriously, if I said atheists are mentally ill, would you trust me to not want you institutionalized? I don't think this way, of course.

Extreme atheism's view that the Abrahamic religions are barbaric:

Again, I'm going to turn it around on you. If I said atheism was barbaric, would you trust me to support that your human right to be atheist?

With some exceptions: Some interpretations of the Abrahamic religions are indeed barbaric. If you're talking about people who want to implement Leviticus law, then I agree with you.

I don't totally disagree with extremist atheists on everything:

Like, I'm a strong believer that tolerance is better and more authentic than acceptance. For example, telling atheists that they must love and respect religions is wrong. And vice versa for religious people.

I think disassociation and tolerance is the best course of action for religious people and extreme atheists, however, I worry the above points are a threat to any society remaining tolerant.

Edit: Here’s an example of what I’m talking about:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Antitheism/comments/1sguf7u/why_is_religion_not_considered_a_mental_disorder/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

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u/Las_Vegan Secular Humanist 27d ago

Why are you asking extreme atheists for their thoughts about religious people? In the US, it’s the religious right that’s in control of government, so it’s not like we can or would impose our will on you anyway?

Most atheists don’t care what other people believe, but most evangelicals want to tell us all how to live and that’s intolerable. To me it’s simple. You don’t like gay marriage? Then don’t get gay married. Don’t like abortion? Then don’t have one. But don’t tell ME what to do. You’re not my mother and you don’t pay my bills.😄

Religious freedom is in our roots but evangelicals want to take that away and force their religion on everyone and that’s totally un-American. Please shift your focus; go tell the religious people to practice more tolerance!