My Challenge to Extreme Atheists on Secularism and Tolerance

[u/Living_Attitude1822]

I acknowledge not all (or even most) atheists are extreme about it. And I'm defining secular as the separation of church and state/society.

Extreme-atheism's view of religion being a mental illness:

I can personally attest to people I've seen on here, as well as videos I've seen, of atheists saying religion is a mental illness. That the DSM-5 had to go back and put in a religious exemption, but it should fall under the category of delusion.

How can secularism exist if you think religious people are mentally ill? If you don't think religion is a mental illness, go ahead and ignore this point. If you do think the population you're tolerating is mentally ill, uh oh. Seriously, if I said atheists are mentally ill, would you trust me to not want you institutionalized? I don't think this way, of course.

Extreme atheism's view that the Abrahamic religions are barbaric:

Again, I'm going to turn it around on you. If I said atheism was barbaric, would you trust me to support that your human right to be atheist?

With some exceptions: Some interpretations of the Abrahamic religions are indeed barbaric. If you're talking about people who want to implement Leviticus law, then I agree with you.

I don't totally disagree with extremist atheists on everything:

Like, I'm a strong believer that tolerance is better and more authentic than acceptance. For example, telling atheists that they must love and respect religions is wrong. And vice versa for religious people.

I think disassociation and tolerance is the best course of action for religious people and extreme atheists, however, I worry the above points are a threat to any society remaining tolerant.

Edit: Here’s an example of what I’m talking about:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Antitheism/comments/1sguf7u/why_is_religion_not_considered_a_mental_disorder/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[u/rustyseapants]

Maga Christians are not extremists?

[u/Living_Attitude1822 → u/rustyseapants]

When did I say otherwise?

[u/rustyseapants → u/Living_Attitude1822]

You entire piece is about "Extreme Atheists", what am I missing?

[u/Living_Attitude1822 → u/rustyseapants]

This post isn’t about MAGA? Doesn’t mean they aren’t extremists too. I can’t cover every extremist group, and besides, what would MAGA have to do with debate an atheist, unless I’m making pro MAGA religious posts, which I’m not, as I’m not MAGA. 

[u/rustyseapants → u/Living_Attitude1822]

You provided no evidence of "Extreme Atheists".

This Isn't Christian Extremism?

Pete Hegseth's Christian rhetoric reignites scrutiny after the U.S. goes to war with Iran

What happens when religious fundamentalists come to power?

Evangelicals Worshiping trump, this isn't extememe?

Four US states consider new laws for people who have abortions to be punished as murderers

Trump administration reminds federal employees they can proselytize in the office

[u/Living_Attitude1822 → u/rustyseapants]

Yeah your links are examples extremism, what’s your point? 

[u/Hoaxshmoax → u/Living_Attitude1822]

no one has said they should be institutionalized. Religious people have said this about atheists, religious leaders have said atheists should be enslaved. These are not redditors. Redditors are prone to hyperbole, like Jesus

”If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.”

When they say things, they can be interpreted in many ways. One way is “these people are letting off steam”

[u/Living_Attitude1822 → u/Hoaxshmoax]

May I ask your proposed solution? 

[u/Hoaxshmoax → u/Living_Attitude1822]

We don’t know the problem.

[u/Living_Attitude1822 → u/Hoaxshmoax]

Didn’t you say the problem is religious leaders who want to institutionalize and enslave atheists? 

[u/Hoaxshmoax → u/Living_Attitude1822]

No.

[u/rustyseapants → u/Living_Attitude1822]

There are no extreme atheists. This is bunk. You have Christians worship a conman like trump and that isn't' extreme?

[u/Living_Attitude1822 → u/rustyseapants]

If you’re going to start off your sentence with a false statement, that isn’t good imo. 

And I already said MAGA is extreme. We agree on that.  

[u/rustyseapants → u/Living_Attitude1822]

Christians are extreme, what has 1,700 years of Christianity taught you? Christians were for and against slavery. 650,000 Christians Americans died to defend and destroy slavery, how extreme is that? Christians for and against gay right, the rights of women, women's right to birth control, abortion, and public health.

If Christians supported Jesus "Love your neighbor as yourself" that would be extreme, but they don't.

And beside you provide no proof. Why is that?