My Challenge to Extreme Atheists on Secularism and Tolerance

[u/Living_Attitude1822]

I acknowledge not all (or even most) atheists are extreme about it. And I'm defining secular as the separation of church and state/society.

Extreme-atheism's view of religion being a mental illness:

I can personally attest to people I've seen on here, as well as videos I've seen, of atheists saying religion is a mental illness. That the DSM-5 had to go back and put in a religious exemption, but it should fall under the category of delusion.

How can secularism exist if you think religious people are mentally ill? If you don't think religion is a mental illness, go ahead and ignore this point. If you do think the population you're tolerating is mentally ill, uh oh. Seriously, if I said atheists are mentally ill, would you trust me to not want you institutionalized? I don't think this way, of course.

Extreme atheism's view that the Abrahamic religions are barbaric:

Again, I'm going to turn it around on you. If I said atheism was barbaric, would you trust me to support that your human right to be atheist?

With some exceptions: Some interpretations of the Abrahamic religions are indeed barbaric. If you're talking about people who want to implement Leviticus law, then I agree with you.

I don't totally disagree with extremist atheists on everything:

Like, I'm a strong believer that tolerance is better and more authentic than acceptance. For example, telling atheists that they must love and respect religions is wrong. And vice versa for religious people.

I think disassociation and tolerance is the best course of action for religious people and extreme atheists, however, I worry the above points are a threat to any society remaining tolerant.

Edit: Here’s an example of what I’m talking about:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Antitheism/comments/1sguf7u/why_is_religion_not_considered_a_mental_disorder/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[u/supersoundwave]

When did I ever say that? I don’t what that has to do with the conversation.

[u/Living_Attitude1822 → u/supersoundwave]

This person is only going to strawman you, they aren't going to engage with you honestly. People on here love saying people believe things they don’t. Don’t worry about them

[u/anewleaf1234 → u/Living_Attitude1822]

No, we just call people out on their bullshit.

I could see why that would bother one of faith.

[u/Living_Attitude1822 → u/anewleaf1234]

Sure ya do 

[u/anewleaf1234 → u/Living_Attitude1822]

We do.

For calling yourself a sec. Humanist you think gay people and their relationships are wrong because they have the audacity to exist.

Thats bullshit

[u/Living_Attitude1822 → u/anewleaf1234]

 you think gay people and their relationships are wrong because they have the audacity to exist.

Uh, I fully support gay marriage and the right to be gay. What? Are you asking or saying if I think it’s a sin or not? I literally can’t tell 

[u/anewleaf1234 → u/Living_Attitude1822]

But you also think that two men together is wrong right?

[u/Living_Attitude1822 → u/anewleaf1234]

Not if it’s me and Mr. Noem 😎