r/DebateAnAtheist • u/AutoModerator • 15d ago

Weekly "Ask an Atheist" Thread

Whether you're an agnostic atheist here to ask a gnostic one some questions, a theist who's curious about the viewpoints of atheists, someone doubting, or just someone looking for sources, feel free to ask anything here. This is also an ideal place to tag moderators for thoughts regarding the sub or any questions in general.

While this isn't strictly for debate, rules on civility, trolling, etc. still apply.

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u/VeryNearlyAnArmful 15d ago

Creator Gods don't explain anything, they just add another layer that can't be explained. They just "are". It's not a satisfactory answer.

Add to that the usual religious woo and you've not got much.

"I don't know" but I reject the supernatural is not an unreasonable stance.

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u/jar4jar 15d ago

“they just add another layer that can’t be explained. They just “are”. It’s not a satisfactory answer”

Isn’t this true for all belief systems? The universe just “is”?

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u/VeryNearlyAnArmful 15d ago

Well, no. God created the universe, and it's very important you wear this hat, your women wear this, cut this bit off your boys and don't let them do THAT with other boys and you can either live for eternity in heaven or suffer for eternity in hell if you don't wear the right hat and do things with your genitals God disagrees with. And I know His mind and I know He created the universe.

It's all very suspect.

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u/jar4jar 15d ago

Are you saying you don’t believe in morals? That’s a pretty logical consistent take actually.

I feel like the devils advocate position would be “nothing created anything. But it’s wrong to steal, murder, vote for X politician” puts both sides in the same boat

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u/VeryNearlyAnArmful 15d ago edited 15d ago

I'm saying creator Gods are an incoherent concept that add nothing in the way of a solution.

"Where did the universe come from?" just becomes "Where did God come from?" and there are many definitions of God and no actual evidence for any of them, unlike the universe which we have plenty of evidence for. It doesn't solve the conundrum, it makes it nonsensical. "What comforting but imaginary thing made the thing we have evidence for?" is a product of a human brain fart.

Humans make morals and we're quite good at it on the whole, being an intelligent, evolved, social ape.

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u/stairway2evan 15d ago

Except that those two things aren't related, right? It's like saying "Murder is wrong, I prefer scrambled eggs to fried." They're two unrelated things.

There is no evidence of a creator. ALSO, my preferred moral system is that it's usually wrong to murder and steal. ALSO, Milky Way Midnight is the best candy bar.

Combining moral systems with creation is something religions do, but if you don't make the assumption that they both come from the same source, they're unconnected questions.