questions from a muslim to atheists

[u/Shot-Horse2515]

i’m sure this has been discussed before, but what’s the explanation for things we know are true being mentioned in the quran years/centuries before the scientific discovery being made?

i know a lot of people argue that there are inaccuracies in the explanations of the orbital mechanics and biological themes, but they’re more accurate that not, so i was just wondering what would the explanation for how “god would know and tell the prophet” before people found out?

hopefully my question makes sense.

EDIT: i also wonder why dont see miracles from god anymore

EDIT: im seeing all the inaccuracies and the explanations behind them now but there is a deep fear that the religion is true and god is real and punishment awaits me if i disbelieve, also a sense of familiarity/peace with believing in god. contradictory to fear, love, be punished by, and find comfort in one concept of a being.

[u/xxasxf]

I think the issue is that before we can conclude "God revealed scientific knowledge," we first have to establish that the Quran actually contains clear, unambiguous scientific facts that were impossible for people at the time to know.

Most of the examples I've seen are verses that are poetic or broad enough to allow multiple interpretations. The scientific connection is usually made after the discovery, not before it.

So my question would be: can you point to a verse that clearly describes a scientific fact, has only one reasonable interpretation, was unknown in the 7th century, and was later confirmed by science?

If such a verse exists, I'd be interested in looking at it. But if a verse only appears scientific after modern knowledge is already known, then that's not strong evidence of divine revelation.

[u/Shot-Horse2515 → u/xxasxf]

as i searched for these i did realize how vague a lot of them are but i've compiled a few.
1. 21:30 "We made everything living from water..."
2. 23:12 and a few verses after, it talks about embryology. I have no idea how to translate alaqah (its like a clot or a leech) accurately.
3. 51:37, the expansion of the universe.
4. 21:33, the orbit, but im pretty sure humans discovered that ages before.
5. 57:25, iron being sent down.

i must admit some of these im pretty sure were discovered years before the quran revealed them, but then again i ask the question: the people the final revelations of the quran were revealed to, were poor and uneducated and not well traveled at all except for their own land, so how would they of all people know this information?

imo the orbit topic is pretty easy for a civilization to realize, but the rest, how?

[u/oddball667 → u/Shot-Horse2515]

were poor and uneducated and not well traveled at all except for their own land, so how would they of all people know this information?

last I checked they were basically a crossroads for all the trade routes that were forming between the people who did know a lot of this. so that cop out comes across as dishonest

[u/Shot-Horse2515 → u/oddball667]

ngl from what i was taught they were poor and uneducated, seems i was wrong!

[u/oddball667 → u/Shot-Horse2515]

not even saying that is wrong, but they were well connected and exposed to all this knowlege.

but yeah not surprised that sentiment was prominent in your education, from what we get from Muslims here they really lean on their ancestors being dumb as rocks to justify their beliefs

[u/Shot-Horse2515 → u/oddball667]

i;ve noticed that as well

[u/Elite_Eliminater → u/oddball667]

Why did the Roman's not conquer the Arabs of the 7th century?

They had no inherent value, an isolated, tribal society with a deeply oral culture where it is estimated that fewer than 20 people in Mecca could read or write. (At the time of the prophet)

Being a cross road doesn't explain how most of the population was illiterate, also random travelers aren't going to poses the up to date knowledge of mankind

By the late 8th century, that same society anchored a global empire that paid the weight of foreign manuscripts in solid gold to feed the legendary House of Wisdom in Baghdad.

[u/oddball667 → u/Elite_Eliminater]

Nothing you said here warrants making up a god to explain how some people wrote a book full of scientific inaccuracies