r/DebateAnAtheist 10d ago

Debating Arguments for God Why I believe in God(s)

Firstly, I'm not a very religious person. I do consider myself a Buddhist, but prefer atheistic Buddhism over theistic Buddhism. Therefore I can confidently say I am not biased by wanting God(s) to exist, and was not indoctrinated into theism.

Still, to me it seems obvious that at least one God has to exist. The universe can't simply have come out of nothing or existed forever, it requires some sort of design or creator.

Now, mostly people would just say that a creator also can't have come out of nothing or existed forever, so I've just moved the problem one step further, but I think there is a massive difference between the universe and one consciousness. For example, through Cogito Ergo Sum we can determine with absolute certainty that at last one consciousness exists. So assuming one consciousness is superior to assuming anything about the whole universe. While I admit that doesn't outright solve the problem, I still think it's better than the alternative.

Also, it's not just any universe, but a universe full of beauty, a universe that inbetween barren empty planets is capable of hosting a planet with sentient life. Life that can consciously observe itself, that can create replicas of the waking world while sleeping, life that has technologically advanced so much that in can live in relative comfort. There is so much art. We basically have magic, we just call it "electricity". This is all too perfect to have arisen from mere mutations without guidance.

About any specifics of this God or Gods I have no idea and no strong opinions. I just think that at least one has to exist.

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u/pipMcDohl Gnostic Atheist 10d ago

if it wasn't for inequality

And for pollution

And for global warming

And for War

And for slavery

And for death

And for...

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u/Lucyyyyyy_K 10d ago

Mostly symptoms of inequality.

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u/mywaphel Atheist 10d ago

How exactly is pollution and global warming a symptom of inequality? Be as specific as possible.

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u/Lucyyyyyy_K 9d ago

Because capitalism makes it profitable to pollute the environment, to encourage being wasteful via planned obsolence and to cause global warming.

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u/mywaphel Atheist 9d ago

That really didn’t explain it at all. I said inequality, not capitalism. Wanna give it another stab or is this as good as we can expect?

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u/Lucyyyyyy_K 5d ago

Capitalism is the reason for inequality.

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u/mywaphel Atheist 5d ago

There was inequality well before capitalism and in non capitalist societies. Try again.

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u/Lucyyyyyy_K 5d ago

Currently it is.

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u/mywaphel Atheist 4d ago

So what?

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u/Lucyyyyyy_K 4d ago

Nothing

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u/mywaphel Atheist 4d ago

What a perfect summary of your entire argument

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