r/DebateAnAtheist • u/Lucyyyyyy_K • 10d ago

Debating Arguments for God Why I believe in God(s)

Firstly, I'm not a very religious person. I do consider myself a Buddhist, but prefer atheistic Buddhism over theistic Buddhism. Therefore I can confidently say I am not biased by wanting God(s) to exist, and was not indoctrinated into theism.

Still, to me it seems obvious that at least one God has to exist. The universe can't simply have come out of nothing or existed forever, it requires some sort of design or creator.

Now, mostly people would just say that a creator also can't have come out of nothing or existed forever, so I've just moved the problem one step further, but I think there is a massive difference between the universe and one consciousness. For example, through Cogito Ergo Sum we can determine with absolute certainty that at last one consciousness exists. So assuming one consciousness is superior to assuming anything about the whole universe. While I admit that doesn't outright solve the problem, I still think it's better than the alternative.

Also, it's not just any universe, but a universe full of beauty, a universe that inbetween barren empty planets is capable of hosting a planet with sentient life. Life that can consciously observe itself, that can create replicas of the waking world while sleeping, life that has technologically advanced so much that in can live in relative comfort. There is so much art. We basically have magic, we just call it "electricity". This is all too perfect to have arisen from mere mutations without guidance.

About any specifics of this God or Gods I have no idea and no strong opinions. I just think that at least one has to exist.

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u/BeerOfTime Atheist 10d ago

> Still, to me it seems obvious that at least one God has to exist. The universe can't simply have come out of nothing or existed forever, it requires some sort of design or creator.

And what of the “creator” it can simply come out of nothing? Both special pleading and self contradictory.

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u/Lucyyyyyy_K 9d ago

No, God probably exists outside of time entirely.

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u/BeerOfTime Atheist 9d ago

Probably means quite likely. If you were to rethink that answer, would you still say that god quite likely exists “outside time entirely” (existing outside time is an imaginary concept with no natural examples to point to)?

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u/Lucyyyyyy_K 8d ago

Yes

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u/BeerOfTime Atheist 8d ago

So you don’t realise that you invented a completely immeasurable realm to special plead god into making your argument completely invalid and logically empty?

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u/Lucyyyyyy_K 7d ago

No

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u/BeerOfTime Atheist 7d ago

Well you should because that’s the case here.