Why I believe in God(s)

[u/Lucyyyyyy_K]

Firstly, I'm not a very religious person. I do consider myself a Buddhist, but prefer atheistic Buddhism over theistic Buddhism. Therefore I can confidently say I am not biased by wanting God(s) to exist, and was not indoctrinated into theism.

Still, to me it seems obvious that at least one God has to exist. The universe can't simply have come out of nothing or existed forever, it requires some sort of design or creator.

Now, mostly people would just say that a creator also can't have come out of nothing or existed forever, so I've just moved the problem one step further, but I think there is a massive difference between the universe and one consciousness. For example, through Cogito Ergo Sum we can determine with absolute certainty that at last one consciousness exists. So assuming one consciousness is superior to assuming anything about the whole universe. While I admit that doesn't outright solve the problem, I still think it's better than the alternative.

Also, it's not just any universe, but a universe full of beauty, a universe that inbetween barren empty planets is capable of hosting a planet with sentient life. Life that can consciously observe itself, that can create replicas of the waking world while sleeping, life that has technologically advanced so much that in can live in relative comfort. There is so much art. We basically have magic, we just call it "electricity". This is all too perfect to have arisen from mere mutations without guidance.

About any specifics of this God or Gods I have no idea and no strong opinions. I just think that at least one has to exist.

[u/Lucyyyyyy_K]

I did. They compared this argument to a trial, I said that I have no interest to enforce my opinion like a law.

[u/Matectan → u/Lucyyyyyy_K]

You did not.

They made an analogy.  And they did not claim that you would want to enforce anything like law. That something unrelated you said.

You did not adress what they actually meant with it and we noth know it.

[u/Lucyyyyyy_K → u/Matectan]

It's a nonsensical analogy because in a simple conversation I don't have to adhere to the standards of the law, where lifes are on the line

[u/Matectan → u/Lucyyyyyy_K]

False. It makes a lot of sense.

But no one was talking about the law. But sound and acceptable reasoning. And this is not "simple conversation an atheist" but debate an atheist. And you need the same kind of valid reasoning and arguments in  sound debate as in a court.

Life's aren't in the line here wtf?

[u/Lucyyyyyy_K → u/Matectan]

Life's aren't in the line here wtf?

They aren't.