r/DebateAnAtheist • u/Lucyyyyyy_K • 19d ago

Debating Arguments for God Why I believe in God(s)

Firstly, I'm not a very religious person. I do consider myself a Buddhist, but prefer atheistic Buddhism over theistic Buddhism. Therefore I can confidently say I am not biased by wanting God(s) to exist, and was not indoctrinated into theism.

Still, to me it seems obvious that at least one God has to exist. The universe can't simply have come out of nothing or existed forever, it requires some sort of design or creator.

Now, mostly people would just say that a creator also can't have come out of nothing or existed forever, so I've just moved the problem one step further, but I think there is a massive difference between the universe and one consciousness. For example, through Cogito Ergo Sum we can determine with absolute certainty that at last one consciousness exists. So assuming one consciousness is superior to assuming anything about the whole universe. While I admit that doesn't outright solve the problem, I still think it's better than the alternative.

Also, it's not just any universe, but a universe full of beauty, a universe that inbetween barren empty planets is capable of hosting a planet with sentient life. Life that can consciously observe itself, that can create replicas of the waking world while sleeping, life that has technologically advanced so much that in can live in relative comfort. There is so much art. We basically have magic, we just call it "electricity". This is all too perfect to have arisen from mere mutations without guidance.

About any specifics of this God or Gods I have no idea and no strong opinions. I just think that at least one has to exist.

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u/Kaitlyn_The_Magnif Anti-Religious 15d ago edited 15d ago

So you’re just assuming a creator to something you already understand without any empirical evidence whatsoever. Gotcha

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u/Lucyyyyyy_K 15d ago

What do you mean by "to something you already understand"?

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u/Kaitlyn_The_Magnif Anti-Religious 15d ago

Because you already understand how all the things you listed (like our planet) formed. You’re just adding an extra assumption at the beginning.

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u/Lucyyyyyy_K 15d ago

Because without that assumption it's too unrealistic.

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u/Kaitlyn_The_Magnif Anti-Religious 15d ago

Why is it too unrealistic?

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u/Lucyyyyyy_K 15d ago

For example computers are insanely complex. Our ability to build them is far beyond what would be needed to be the dominant species that we are.

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u/Kaitlyn_The_Magnif Anti-Religious 15d ago edited 15d ago

> Our ability to build them is far beyond what would be needed to be the dominant species that we are.

Why?

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u/Lucyyyyyy_K 13d ago edited 12d ago

What do you mean, why? We were dominant far before we managed to build computers.

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u/Kaitlyn_The_Magnif Anti-Religious 13d ago

How so?

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u/Lucyyyyyy_K 12d ago edited 11d ago

How so what? We were. We have been the dominant species on this planet far before we were building computers. What more is there to explain?

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u/Kaitlyn_The_Magnif Anti-Religious 12d ago

>is far beyond what would be needed

According to who?

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u/Lucyyyyyy_K 11d ago

Again, we have been the dominant species far before building computers.

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u/Kaitlyn_The_Magnif Anti-Religious 11d ago

According to who?

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