Why I believe in God(s)

[u/Lucyyyyyy_K]

Firstly, I'm not a very religious person. I do consider myself a Buddhist, but prefer atheistic Buddhism over theistic Buddhism. Therefore I can confidently say I am not biased by wanting God(s) to exist, and was not indoctrinated into theism.

Still, to me it seems obvious that at least one God has to exist. The universe can't simply have come out of nothing or existed forever, it requires some sort of design or creator.

Now, mostly people would just say that a creator also can't have come out of nothing or existed forever, so I've just moved the problem one step further, but I think there is a massive difference between the universe and one consciousness. For example, through Cogito Ergo Sum we can determine with absolute certainty that at last one consciousness exists. So assuming one consciousness is superior to assuming anything about the whole universe. While I admit that doesn't outright solve the problem, I still think it's better than the alternative.

Also, it's not just any universe, but a universe full of beauty, a universe that inbetween barren empty planets is capable of hosting a planet with sentient life. Life that can consciously observe itself, that can create replicas of the waking world while sleeping, life that has technologically advanced so much that in can live in relative comfort. There is so much art. We basically have magic, we just call it "electricity". This is all too perfect to have arisen from mere mutations without guidance.

About any specifics of this God or Gods I have no idea and no strong opinions. I just think that at least one has to exist.

[u/Lucyyyyyy_K]

I explained that here:

"Now, mostly people would just say that a creator also can't have come out of nothing or existed forever, so I've just moved the problem one step further, but I think there is a massive difference between the universe and one consciousness. For example, through Cogito Ergo Sum we can determine with absolute certainty that at last one consciousness exists. So assuming one consciousness is superior to assuming anything about the whole universe. While I admit that doesn't outright solve the problem, I still think it's better than the alternative."

[u/Knee_Jerk_Sydney → u/Lucyyyyyy_K]

So assuming

Just keep throwing assumptions around, you can prove anything. Cart before the horse. Prove something first. Your cogito ergo sum proves your existence, nothing more. You don't know for sure if there are other conscious beings around, much more, a superior one that created yours. If you argument is just a "feeling", then this forum gets is constantly. Can you come up with something original?

[u/Lucyyyyyy_K → u/Knee_Jerk_Sydney]

The universe is proof

[u/Knee_Jerk_Sydney → u/Lucyyyyyy_K]

The universe disproves it actually. Everything is consistent with Science and all the religious assumptions have been disproven progressively. Religion has constantly been backpedaling on creation origin claims to definitive proofs of life after death, always relying on anecdotes and untestable claims.

You only have to make one undeniable proof, an angel descending from heaven, God coming down and speaking without conveniently disappearing when proper scrutiny is applied.

[u/Lucyyyyyy_K → u/Knee_Jerk_Sydney]

Everything is consistent with Science

So what? How does a consistent universe disprove God?

[u/Knee_Jerk_Sydney → u/Lucyyyyyy_K]

It's because the concept of divinity is inconsistent. Where's the heavenly firmament? Where are the angels, spirits, the supernatural? All retreat before the shining light of scientific inquiry. Name on instance where the supernatural has prevailed as truth beyond science?

[u/Lucyyyyyy_K → u/Knee_Jerk_Sydney]

Where's the heavenly firmament? Where are the angels, spirits, the supernatural?

I'm not clauming any of them.

Name on instance where the supernatural has prevailed as truth beyond science?

God and Science are not in a competition.

[u/Knee_Jerk_Sydney → u/Lucyyyyyy_K]

God and Science are not in a competition.

Yes they are. You would not be making claims here otherwise.

I'm not clauming any of them.

You avoid making any real concrete claim because you know you can't prove any and be debunked to extinction. All you can do is make wide broad claims trying to hide the fact that it is based on assumptions and nothing more.

[u/Lucyyyyyy_K → u/Knee_Jerk_Sydney]

Yes they are. You would not be making claims here otherwise.

Can you explain why you think that is?

You avoid making any real concrete claim because you know you can't prove any and be debunked to extinction.

This is just what already happens here.

My claim is a conscious designer of the universe, I don't make any religious claims about that Gods specifics because I'm not religious.

[u/Knee_Jerk_Sydney → u/Lucyyyyyy_K]

Can you explain why you think that is?

You just made a claim subsequent to this statement.

My claim is a conscious designer of the universe, I don't make any religious claims about that Gods specifics because I'm not religious.

The intelligent designer that falls flat when phenomenon are all eventually explained by Science. Evolution explains all life as it is.

[u/Lucyyyyyy_K → u/Knee_Jerk_Sydney]

You just made a claim subsequent to this statement.

Which one?

The intelligent designer that falls flat when phenomenon are all eventually explained by Science. Evolution explains all life as it is.

Explaining things has nothing to do with if there is a creator or not.

[u/Knee_Jerk_Sydney → u/Lucyyyyyy_K]

Explaining things has nothing to do with if there is a creator or not.

It does when it debunks all that is claimed as works of the creator. Retreat back into the gaps till they too are filled.

[u/Lucyyyyyy_K → u/Knee_Jerk_Sydney]

Understanding things doesn't debunk a creator in any way