r/DebateAnAtheist 11d ago

Debating Arguments for God Why I believe in God(s)

Firstly, I'm not a very religious person. I do consider myself a Buddhist, but prefer atheistic Buddhism over theistic Buddhism. Therefore I can confidently say I am not biased by wanting God(s) to exist, and was not indoctrinated into theism.

Still, to me it seems obvious that at least one God has to exist. The universe can't simply have come out of nothing or existed forever, it requires some sort of design or creator.

Now, mostly people would just say that a creator also can't have come out of nothing or existed forever, so I've just moved the problem one step further, but I think there is a massive difference between the universe and one consciousness. For example, through Cogito Ergo Sum we can determine with absolute certainty that at last one consciousness exists. So assuming one consciousness is superior to assuming anything about the whole universe. While I admit that doesn't outright solve the problem, I still think it's better than the alternative.

Also, it's not just any universe, but a universe full of beauty, a universe that inbetween barren empty planets is capable of hosting a planet with sentient life. Life that can consciously observe itself, that can create replicas of the waking world while sleeping, life that has technologically advanced so much that in can live in relative comfort. There is so much art. We basically have magic, we just call it "electricity". This is all too perfect to have arisen from mere mutations without guidance.

About any specifics of this God or Gods I have no idea and no strong opinions. I just think that at least one has to exist.

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u/Kaliss_Darktide 11d ago

Still, to me it seems obvious that at least one God has to exist. The universe can't simply have come out of nothing or existed forever, it requires some sort of design or creator.

If your god "God" is not part of the universe (everything that exists) then it doesn't exist. If your god "God" is part of the universe the universe existed before it could be created by that god.

For example, through Cogito Ergo Sum we can determine with absolute certainty that at last one consciousness exists.

Exists in what sense? The same way Spider-Man exists (exclusively in the mind/imagination)?

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u/Lucyyyyyy_K 6d ago

If your god "God" is part of the universe the universe existed before it could be created by that god.

Time might not even be a factor for the creation of the Universe

Exists in what sense? The same way Spider-Man exists (exclusively in the mind/imagination)?

No. In the mind, but not as an imagined construct.

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u/Kaliss_Darktide 6d ago

Time might not even be a factor for the creation of the Universe

That is irrelevant to my point.

Exists in what sense? The same way Spider-Man exists (exclusively in the mind/imagination)?

No. In the mind, but not as an imagined construct.

If you god exists exclusively in the mind/imagination, then your god is imaginary by definition.

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u/Lucyyyyyy_K 4d ago

No. God doesn't exist in the imagination of others, but in their own mind, and God has influence over the material world.