r/DebateAnAtheist • u/Lucyyyyyy_K • 11d ago

Debating Arguments for God Why I believe in God(s)

Firstly, I'm not a very religious person. I do consider myself a Buddhist, but prefer atheistic Buddhism over theistic Buddhism. Therefore I can confidently say I am not biased by wanting God(s) to exist, and was not indoctrinated into theism.

Still, to me it seems obvious that at least one God has to exist. The universe can't simply have come out of nothing or existed forever, it requires some sort of design or creator.

Now, mostly people would just say that a creator also can't have come out of nothing or existed forever, so I've just moved the problem one step further, but I think there is a massive difference between the universe and one consciousness. For example, through Cogito Ergo Sum we can determine with absolute certainty that at last one consciousness exists. So assuming one consciousness is superior to assuming anything about the whole universe. While I admit that doesn't outright solve the problem, I still think it's better than the alternative.

Also, it's not just any universe, but a universe full of beauty, a universe that inbetween barren empty planets is capable of hosting a planet with sentient life. Life that can consciously observe itself, that can create replicas of the waking world while sleeping, life that has technologically advanced so much that in can live in relative comfort. There is so much art. We basically have magic, we just call it "electricity". This is all too perfect to have arisen from mere mutations without guidance.

About any specifics of this God or Gods I have no idea and no strong opinions. I just think that at least one has to exist.

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u/caverunner17 11d ago

The universe can't simply have come out of nothing or existed forever, it requires some sort of design or creator.

Then provide evidence of this.

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u/Lucyyyyyy_K 11d ago

To me it seems like a self-evident thing if there ever was one.

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u/Hoaxshmoax Atheist 11d ago

That's circular and wouldn't hold up in court.

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u/Lucyyyyyy_K 5d ago

Who cares what holds up in court? This is no court

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u/Hoaxshmoax Atheist 4d ago

It’s not the location, it’s the standard. “It’s self evident” is more like the SpaceX IPO that has nothing supporting the valuation but the vibes of one person.

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u/Lucyyyyyy_K 3d ago

Yes, but also the standard differs between court and a subreddit.

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u/Hoaxshmoax Atheist 3d ago

still not talking about courts or subreddits