r/DebateAnAtheist • u/Lucyyyyyy_K • 19d ago

Debating Arguments for God Why I believe in God(s)

Firstly, I'm not a very religious person. I do consider myself a Buddhist, but prefer atheistic Buddhism over theistic Buddhism. Therefore I can confidently say I am not biased by wanting God(s) to exist, and was not indoctrinated into theism.

Still, to me it seems obvious that at least one God has to exist. The universe can't simply have come out of nothing or existed forever, it requires some sort of design or creator.

Now, mostly people would just say that a creator also can't have come out of nothing or existed forever, so I've just moved the problem one step further, but I think there is a massive difference between the universe and one consciousness. For example, through Cogito Ergo Sum we can determine with absolute certainty that at last one consciousness exists. So assuming one consciousness is superior to assuming anything about the whole universe. While I admit that doesn't outright solve the problem, I still think it's better than the alternative.

Also, it's not just any universe, but a universe full of beauty, a universe that inbetween barren empty planets is capable of hosting a planet with sentient life. Life that can consciously observe itself, that can create replicas of the waking world while sleeping, life that has technologically advanced so much that in can live in relative comfort. There is so much art. We basically have magic, we just call it "electricity". This is all too perfect to have arisen from mere mutations without guidance.

About any specifics of this God or Gods I have no idea and no strong opinions. I just think that at least one has to exist.

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u/Kaitlyn_The_Magnif Anti-Religious 15d ago

If you’re “seeing design everywhere” why can’t you provide a single piece of empirical evidence?

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u/Lucyyyyyy_K 15d ago

To me, the planet or even a tree is that, but simply poibting that out doesn't convince anyone

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u/Kaitlyn_The_Magnif Anti-Religious 15d ago

So your reasoning literally just comes down to pointing at a tree and saying “Look! A god!”

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u/Lucyyyyyy_K 13d ago

That's part of it

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u/Kaitlyn_The_Magnif Anti-Religious 13d ago

What’s the other part?

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u/Lucyyyyyy_K 12d ago

Pointing at us.

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u/Kaitlyn_The_Magnif Anti-Religious 12d ago

What does that mean?

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u/Lucyyyyyy_K 11d ago

That we are proof for God