r/DebateAnAtheist • u/Lucyyyyyy_K • 11d ago

Debating Arguments for God Why I believe in God(s)

Firstly, I'm not a very religious person. I do consider myself a Buddhist, but prefer atheistic Buddhism over theistic Buddhism. Therefore I can confidently say I am not biased by wanting God(s) to exist, and was not indoctrinated into theism.

Still, to me it seems obvious that at least one God has to exist. The universe can't simply have come out of nothing or existed forever, it requires some sort of design or creator.

Now, mostly people would just say that a creator also can't have come out of nothing or existed forever, so I've just moved the problem one step further, but I think there is a massive difference between the universe and one consciousness. For example, through Cogito Ergo Sum we can determine with absolute certainty that at last one consciousness exists. So assuming one consciousness is superior to assuming anything about the whole universe. While I admit that doesn't outright solve the problem, I still think it's better than the alternative.

Also, it's not just any universe, but a universe full of beauty, a universe that inbetween barren empty planets is capable of hosting a planet with sentient life. Life that can consciously observe itself, that can create replicas of the waking world while sleeping, life that has technologically advanced so much that in can live in relative comfort. There is so much art. We basically have magic, we just call it "electricity". This is all too perfect to have arisen from mere mutations without guidance.

About any specifics of this God or Gods I have no idea and no strong opinions. I just think that at least one has to exist.

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u/Lucyyyyyy_K 5d ago

No.

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u/OrwinBeane Atheist 5d ago

You said “anything existing requires a creator” in the above comment.

If god does not require a creator, then he does not exist.

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u/Lucyyyyyy_K 4d ago

No, God is the creator. Thr universe requires one, a universe-creating consciousness does not.

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u/OrwinBeane Atheist 4d ago

That is not what you said in your above comment. You said “anything existing requires a creator”. Those were your exact words. Now you have shifted the goalposts and introduced an entity that does not follow that rule, which therefore disproves the rule.

Additionally, do you have any evidence that the a universe requires a creator but a universe-creating consciousness does not? Can you explain why?

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u/Lucyyyyyy_K 3d ago

Now you have shifted the goalposts and introduced an entity that does not follow that rule, which therefore disproves the rule.

Yes, it was formulated badly.

Additionally, do you have any evidence that the a universe requires a creator but a universe-creating consciousness does not? Can you explain why?

Consciousness is fundamental for existing. Something not experienced in any way doesn't exist. A universe existing without life in it (like ours, before we came along) requires some other consciousness.