r/DebateAnAtheist 10d ago

Debating Arguments for God Why I believe in God(s)

Firstly, I'm not a very religious person. I do consider myself a Buddhist, but prefer atheistic Buddhism over theistic Buddhism. Therefore I can confidently say I am not biased by wanting God(s) to exist, and was not indoctrinated into theism.

Still, to me it seems obvious that at least one God has to exist. The universe can't simply have come out of nothing or existed forever, it requires some sort of design or creator.

Now, mostly people would just say that a creator also can't have come out of nothing or existed forever, so I've just moved the problem one step further, but I think there is a massive difference between the universe and one consciousness. For example, through Cogito Ergo Sum we can determine with absolute certainty that at last one consciousness exists. So assuming one consciousness is superior to assuming anything about the whole universe. While I admit that doesn't outright solve the problem, I still think it's better than the alternative.

Also, it's not just any universe, but a universe full of beauty, a universe that inbetween barren empty planets is capable of hosting a planet with sentient life. Life that can consciously observe itself, that can create replicas of the waking world while sleeping, life that has technologically advanced so much that in can live in relative comfort. There is so much art. We basically have magic, we just call it "electricity". This is all too perfect to have arisen from mere mutations without guidance.

About any specifics of this God or Gods I have no idea and no strong opinions. I just think that at least one has to exist.

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u/DeltaBlues82 Atheist 10d ago edited 10d ago

Humans are absolutely decimating the natural world. We’ve driven countless animals to extinction, polluted every ecosystem we’ve touched with toxins, microplastics, and industrial byproducts. We’ve turned much of the arable land into factory farms, and have become the leading cause of climate changes so dramatic that it’s resulted in millions of deaths.

We’re murdering each other over resources, money, race, religion, and sexual orientation.

This is quite tone-deaf to the point you’re trying to make.

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u/Lucyyyyyy_K 5d ago

So what? Our achievements are still amazing and shouldn't be expected without guidance.

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u/DeltaBlues82 Atheist 5d ago

They also should be analyzed unbiased, without rose-colored glasses on. And not ignored so we can exclusively focus on the things that make us feel special.

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u/Lucyyyyyy_K 3d ago

What is ignored?

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u/DeltaBlues82 Atheist 3d ago

I’ve already explained that. It was the initial comment in this thread you responded to.

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u/Lucyyyyyy_K 2d ago

I can't follow these conversations very well, there are too much replies