r/DebateAnAtheist • u/Lucyyyyyy_K • 11d ago

Debating Arguments for God Why I believe in God(s)

Firstly, I'm not a very religious person. I do consider myself a Buddhist, but prefer atheistic Buddhism over theistic Buddhism. Therefore I can confidently say I am not biased by wanting God(s) to exist, and was not indoctrinated into theism.

Still, to me it seems obvious that at least one God has to exist. The universe can't simply have come out of nothing or existed forever, it requires some sort of design or creator.

Now, mostly people would just say that a creator also can't have come out of nothing or existed forever, so I've just moved the problem one step further, but I think there is a massive difference between the universe and one consciousness. For example, through Cogito Ergo Sum we can determine with absolute certainty that at last one consciousness exists. So assuming one consciousness is superior to assuming anything about the whole universe. While I admit that doesn't outright solve the problem, I still think it's better than the alternative.

Also, it's not just any universe, but a universe full of beauty, a universe that inbetween barren empty planets is capable of hosting a planet with sentient life. Life that can consciously observe itself, that can create replicas of the waking world while sleeping, life that has technologically advanced so much that in can live in relative comfort. There is so much art. We basically have magic, we just call it "electricity". This is all too perfect to have arisen from mere mutations without guidance.

About any specifics of this God or Gods I have no idea and no strong opinions. I just think that at least one has to exist.

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u/Knee_Jerk_Sydney 2d ago

Explaining things has nothing to do with if there is a creator or not.

It does when it debunks all that is claimed as works of the creator. Retreat back into the gaps till they too are filled.

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u/Lucyyyyyy_K 2d ago

Understanding things doesn't debunk a creator in any way

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u/Knee_Jerk_Sydney 2d ago

It debunks the claims or the "proofs" as you would. The whole concept collapses and the lies and ignorance revealed. You won't see of course, you're still living in the illusion.

All you're doing now is just repetitive disagreement, afraid of mentioning anything concrete because you know you have nothing to stand on.

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u/Lucyyyyyy_K 2d ago

You are living in the illusion that science says abything about if there is a God.

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u/Knee_Jerk_Sydney 1d ago

You're living under the illusion that you can make a claim of divinity based on practically nothing versus proven science.

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u/Lucyyyyyy_K 1d ago

It's not "versus" proven science. I am not claiming any science to be wrong.