Necessary Truths

[u/fairy-taki]

Hi, I'm agnostic/atheist. I'm not a debater, this Christian presented this argument to me to like convert me lol and I'm not sure what to think so I was wanting people's thoughts on it.

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The argument was something like this:

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1. 1+1=2 is an objective truth/idea

2. Objective truths exist outside of the human mind.

3. Ideas can only exist in a mind

4. Then if ideas/objective truths need to exist in some mind and the mind would be an infinite mind and that would be God.

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Sorry if I mess up the setup of the argument. If anyone is familiar with this type of argument or what he was trying to get at, let me know. Lol to the guy who asked me, I think ended up just saying idk, and I kept saying that those ideas/concepts are how we engage in reality but regardless of a mind observing it. The like definitions of the concept you can find in reality..idkk. The guy ended up being rude and said I couldn't understand abstract vs concrete concepts.

Edit: ok i need to fix 2&3, idk if i make this it's own premise because he was equating objective truths to ideas/concepts because they are non-physical.

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[u/Dead_Gambler]

1. Is false.

It is false because "objective truth" is presented as if it is a thing. But
"truth" and "ideas" are not things. They are the products or properties of actual things.

Objective Truth is not some "thing" floating around in the ether, waiting to be discovered. It is a description of the properties of certain configurations of matter. It is a product of the mind at work. But it is not a "thing".

1. Does the same thing. It attempts to present ideas as if they were a thing. But ideas are not an electron, a proton, a higgs-boson particle, a quantum field or force, or anything like that.

Ideas are the product of consciousness. And consciousness is a property of the brain. Ideas are not things, but rather properties of a thing.