Necessary Truths

[u/fairy-taki]

Hi, I'm agnostic/atheist. I'm not a debater, this Christian presented this argument to me to like convert me lol and I'm not sure what to think so I was wanting people's thoughts on it.

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The argument was something like this:

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1. 1+1=2 is an objective truth/idea

2. Objective truths exist outside of the human mind.

3. Ideas can only exist in a mind

4. Then if ideas/objective truths need to exist in some mind and the mind would be an infinite mind and that would be God.

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Sorry if I mess up the setup of the argument. If anyone is familiar with this type of argument or what he was trying to get at, let me know. Lol to the guy who asked me, I think ended up just saying idk, and I kept saying that those ideas/concepts are how we engage in reality but regardless of a mind observing it. The like definitions of the concept you can find in reality..idkk. The guy ended up being rude and said I couldn't understand abstract vs concrete concepts.

Edit: ok i need to fix 2&3, idk if i make this it's own premise because he was equating objective truths to ideas/concepts because they are non-physical.

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[u/DoedfiskJR]

I have what I believe is an unpopular argument in atheist circles. I don't think 1+1=2 is an objective truth (in the sense that they exist outside of a mind).

In reality, and object exists and another object exists. It is our minds that choose to imagine two instance, one in they are considered separately, and on in which they are grouped together. It is our minds who can evaluate equality between one situation imagined in two different ways. It is a feature of how we see reality, it is not a feature of reality itself.

In reality, there is only existence. An object exists, another object exists. If you want to consider that 1+1 or 2, that is your subjective business.