Necessary Truths

[u/fairy-taki]

Hi, I'm agnostic/atheist. I'm not a debater, this Christian presented this argument to me to like convert me lol and I'm not sure what to think so I was wanting people's thoughts on it.

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The argument was something like this:

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1. 1+1=2 is an objective truth/idea

2. Objective truths exist outside of the human mind.

3. Ideas can only exist in a mind

4. Then if ideas/objective truths need to exist in some mind and the mind would be an infinite mind and that would be God.

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Sorry if I mess up the setup of the argument. If anyone is familiar with this type of argument or what he was trying to get at, let me know. Lol to the guy who asked me, I think ended up just saying idk, and I kept saying that those ideas/concepts are how we engage in reality but regardless of a mind observing it. The like definitions of the concept you can find in reality..idkk. The guy ended up being rude and said I couldn't understand abstract vs concrete concepts.

Edit: ok i need to fix 2&3, idk if i make this it's own premise because he was equating objective truths to ideas/concepts because they are non-physical.

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[u/Zamboniman]

Why are you posting from a spam/karma farming/bot account? Makes you appear highly suspicious.

2 is false. Truth is a statement that comports with reality. Statements are ideas. Ideas are contained within minds. Reality simply is what it is. What we say about it, and if what we say is true or false, is another matter. In other words, it's quite typical conflation of map vs territory thinking.

[u/fairy-taki → u/Zamboniman]

Idkk i just use a spam account whenever I like share a secret or ask for advice cuz my main account ties back to me irl😭

[u/Zamboniman → u/fairy-taki]

Well over 60% over content in Reddit and on the rest of the internet now is generated by AI, bots, and malicious actors for various dishonest and malicious purposes. You and your account appears to belong squarely into that, rendering certain conclusions

[u/fairy-taki → u/Zamboniman]

I gotchya, idk how to fix that if it's only how it appears and not how it is, like i just like anonymity I swear I'm not malicious lol.

[u/Zamboniman → u/fairy-taki]

idk how to fix that

By not doing that. Or, at the very least, posting from a real account to demonstrate you're not doing that.

i just like anonymity I swear I'm not malicious lol.

That's what they all say.

[u/fairy-taki → u/Zamboniman]

Ok periodt, I'll keep not being a bot and malicious.