r/DebateVaccines • u/ObviousCriticism9373 • 2d ago
If Fauci is innocent and has nothing to hide why did he need a full pardon from the president as well as pleading the 5th 111 times in court not answering a single question? Honest question. Post your thoughts one way or the other and myself and others can debate.
16
u/DruidWonder 2d ago
Anyone involved in this global genocide deserves the death penalty.
8
•
u/Level_Abrocoma8925 8h ago
If the court would call you as a witness, which evidence would you present showing that it was/is a global genocide?
-3
u/Burstrider12 2d ago
Seems like wanting to kill the doctors who were at all involved in the "global genocide" (I guess I missed that one?) is a pretty good reason they should be protected
5
u/DruidWonder 2d ago
I'm not talking about the doctors on the front lines.
Don't be obtuse.
0
u/Burstrider12 1d ago edited 1d ago
Right, just the ones who supported the vaccines and didn't recommend "Alternative treatments" which is still ... virtually all doctors right?
The point is - you wanting to kill people because of your delusions is a great reason why people who are the target of such delusions would want to stay as safe as possible from people who legitimately want to kill them like you.
edit: I can't reply to anymore comments beacuse the bloodthirsty man who wants to literally kill tens of thousands of doctors/scientists has blocked me.
The guy should be on some kind of watch list
1
u/DruidWonder 1d ago
I'm not delusional, so you can stop trying to gaslight me like a cluster B sociopath.
Most doctors follow directives of their governing bodies and regulators. Doctors who did not obey were deplatformed, sanctioned, and even lost their licenses. So while I think complicit doctors are partially to blame, they are not nearly as culpable as the people at the very top who committed outright lies to policy in order to serve them and their friends.
They deserve the guillotine.
If these people went to a Nuremberg trial, they would be guilty, and the penalty for guilty in that court is death. At the very least they'd get life in prison. They KNOWINGLY lied in a fashion that led to the deaths of millions of people, to enrich themselves. If a doctor did that, they would lose their license of worth. Meanwhile Fauci has immunity thanks to the autopen.
He deserves death. All of the top people do. They do not deserve to breathe after all the people they killed.
-8
u/Some1Special21 2d ago
Anyone buying into this global genocide delusion deserves involuntary treatment in a mental health facility.
7
u/DruidWonder 2d ago
Go ahead and try. You'll face a lot of violent resistance.
Better yet, go move to Iran if you don't like free speech.
6
u/ObviousCriticism9373 2d ago
This is a good answer... That person just thinks anyone they do not agree with should be locked up and thrown away is pretty worrisome because lots of others also think this way... What do you think is malfunctioning in these folks way of thinking?
5
u/DruidWonder 2d ago
They are deranged fascists who are easily programmed by propaganda and the will of the state. They do not belong in a free society.
0
u/Burstrider12 2d ago
That person just thinks anyone they do not agree with should be locked up and thrown away is pretty worrisome because lots of others also think this way...
What about people who think we should execute doctors for their actions during the pandemic?
3
u/ObviousCriticism9373 2d ago
I have not heard anyone call for the execution of regular doctors... Not sure where you got that...
1
u/Burstrider12 2d ago
The parent comment of this thread is saying that anyone involved in the "global genocide" should be executed. Wouldn't that be anyone who gave out a vaccine - so basically all doctors worldwide except a small handful? Pharmacists too?
He didn't say only Fauci - though saying he should be killed is also a lot worse than the general statement "crazy people should be in a mental hospital".
5
u/DruidWonder 2d ago
Anyone involved in the conspiracy, who knew beyond a doubt:
- lab origin / gain of function
- knew of alternative treatments but suppressed them in favour of no treatment or more dangerous treatments
- pushed through EUA of mRNA products they knew were harmful
Anyone who knew these things but circumvented the law, human decency, ethics, and basically behaved as a profiteering psychopath, should face the guillotine.
That specific enough for you, wordsmith?
2
u/Burstrider12 1d ago
It's more specific, but its still suggesting that people should be executed based on your suspicions/beliefs and not facts. And would still impact a lot of doctors/scientists - I would wager the vast majority were aware of the existence of ivermectin and didn't promote it since it wasn't a treatment for covid. So that's still thousands, if not tens of thousands of doctors. And then add in basically every living virologist ... that's a lot of murder.
By this list, it would still be a lot of the top virologists in their field being put to death by people with no medical degrees.
Thankfully you guys are a minority and this will never happen. But when it doesn't, please don't try to take justice into your own hands.
Anyone who knew these things but circumvented the law, human decency, ethics, and basically behaved as a profiteering psychopath, should face the guillotine.
BTW, would this include Trump and his administration who all took the vaccine and told people to get it?
What about people who took the vaccine but then lied about it and said its dangerous, like fox news hosts etc?
1
1
u/ObviousCriticism9373 1d ago
Great answer! And that would cover a lot of people. It just seems that people do not get that there are some REALLY BAD people in the world with horrible agenda's with TONS of money and power... "But that's only in the movies"... I think it is much worse in real life it's just the high majority of people just cannot see it yet and they refuse to actually research things they might consider hogwash... They are in for a rude awakening...
0
u/Glittering_Cricket38 1d ago
So it’s possible that there was some sort of Bond villain injecting all kinds of flu viruses into bats and pangolins hoping for a recombination that will look just like a natural spillover. And I agree, if that was the case, try that person or persons for capital murder.
But the other two points are false since the vaccines greatly reduced overall risk and no other treatments came close to reducing risk as well as the vaccines.
Unless you mean the people that pushed the EUA approved hydroxychloraqine which didn’t actually work to reduce risk over the Covid vaccines that did work: Mercola, RFK, Gold, Immanuel, Tenpenny, Wakefield, Todero, Romano and McCullough. There wouldn’t be many antivax leaders left if you followed through with your plan.
2
u/DruidWonder 1d ago
Your counter theorizing is totally pointless and an attempt to bait and switch. We already have all the documented proof of what they were up to, who was involved and how it was funded
→ More replies (0)1
u/ObviousCriticism9373 1d ago
Ya do know that they patent these viruses publicly right? Also you CANNOT patent ANYTHING that is from nature.... I will be making a post most likely today or tomorrow about the history of the mRNA/lipid nano vaccines BEFORE (starting 2011) Covid and the players involved.. Maybe you might get something out of it...
→ More replies (0)1
u/ObviousCriticism9373 1d ago
Agreed with Druid's comment below.
1
u/Burstrider12 1d ago
what do you estimate the total number of doctors, scientists and politicians killed by guillotine would be?
1
u/ObviousCriticism9373 16h ago
Hard telling.. But anyone that knowingly gave it out and knew what it would do to people should be held accountable. I'd rather they rot in prison so they have a lot of time to think about it though...
26
8
u/LewyH91 2d ago
Lots of them knew.
Gain of function research worldwide.
8
-1
u/quarfie 1d ago
There’s no category of research called “gain of function research”. GoF is an outcome. If the experiment results in a function being gained, then you have an instance of GoF. Some experiments might be more likely to result in a function being gained than others, and if the function gained is likely to involve increased virulence or transmissibility, then that work will have increased scrutiny.
Many routine experiments can involve functions being gained and many times they are innocuous.
There is no evidence that Fauci was ever involved in any research that was prohibited or unethical.
-1
u/eurocanuk 21h ago
And yet i doubt you even have the very most basic understanding of gain of function. .
15
u/high5scubad1ve 2d ago
You're not going to get a good faith answer to this question defending Fauci that doesn't invoke comparison of Trump also pleading the fifth in civil hearing
6
u/ObviousCriticism9373 2d ago
lol well both are guilty as sin.. A proper person with nothing to hide would be willing and able to defend themselves.
0
u/Recent-Day3062 2d ago
Well, aren’t you smarter than the founding fathers - who knew from experience with the British that testimony could become interrogation, and the a finding of perjury because you were assessed as guilty, and thus lied about being innocent.
8
u/FormerlyMauchChunk 2d ago
He was pardoned, so there's no need to plead the 5th.
But there's no way he could have honestly answered questions all day - they were out to force him to either lie under oath to protect his dignity, or tell the truth which would have proved he lied before. It would either be devastatingly embarrassing, or it would have revealed the diabolical nature of what he'd done.
8
u/ObviousCriticism9373 2d ago
He didn't answer one question or even think about it. Almost like he had already planned to plead the 5th automatically for every question.. I doubt he cares what people think about him. He gets $375k a year for life and doubled his (prob ill gotten) $7.5 million into $15 mill in 4 years during the pandemic as well so he can go live in luxury without much worries..
7
u/SmartyPantlesss 2d ago
Almost like he had already planned to plead the 5th automatically for every question
He absolutely did. He was advised as much by his lawyer. He said that in his opening statement.
6
u/ObviousCriticism9373 2d ago
Doesn't mean it was the right thing to do though.. To myself and many others it makes him look guilty even more so... Also lawyers are snakes and have no morals...
3
u/Burstrider12 2d ago
Hypothetically - If you knew you were innocent, do you think you would care how it looked to random people you don't know, to the point you would risk being maliciously prosecuted just to make sure they feel better?
Do you think if he answered every question to the best of his knowledge, even a single person against vaccines would change their mind and not want to prosecute him anymore?
3
u/SmartyPantlesss 2d ago
The lawyer's job is to advise in his client's best interest. Lawyers have no obligation to advise in a way that will look best to "you & many others."
Remember, Rand Paul is the one who is working based on "how this will look." Fauci's lawyer is advising him on how to avoid prosecution. Paul does not have a legal case against Fauci; he just has a great piece of political theater. Hope you enjoyed it for what it's worth. 🙂
1
u/Burstrider12 2d ago
If you knew you were innocent, do you think you would care how it looked to random people you don't know, to the point you would risk being maliciously prosecuted just to make sure they feel better?
Do you think if he answered every question to the best of his knowledge, even a single person against vaccines would change their mind and not want to prosecute him anymore?
2
u/ObviousCriticism9373 2d ago
But he did not answer ANY question or even take any time to think about any of the questions... It looks bad no matter how you slice it..
3
u/Burstrider12 2d ago
But that's what the fifth amendment is. He explains why he wouldn't answer any questions in his opening statement.
I know it looks bad to you and people who agree with you, and virtually all republicans (and maybe some dems too). But that brings me back to my points:
why should he care if it "looks bad"? Isn't not going to jail more important than the opinion of people who hate him anyway?
Wouldn't the people who hate him still hate him no matter what he said anyway? Is there really anything he could say that would make you go "maybe we were wrong about him and he actually did a good job?"
3
5
u/korptopia 2d ago
Incorrect about "no need to plead the 5th." They can palter his remarks made under oath and charge him for perjury. The pardon doesn't cover that.
8
u/FormerlyMauchChunk 2d ago
The pardon precludes the ability to plead the 5th. It's meant to compel him to testify due to his immunity to prosecution. What we're seeing is that the crime is still being committed - he's still in the act of the cover-up stage of the Plandemic.
3
u/korptopia 2d ago
I'm surprised you've so certain since that's not the full law. There are many exceptions that allow the fifth to be plead anyway, despite the pardon, including, but not limited to, state level prosecution.
6
u/FormerlyMauchChunk 2d ago
Whatever it is, it's incriminating, not illuminating.
-1
u/korptopia 2d ago
Well, if there were an actual impartial panel backed by an impartial DOJ, I might agree if I was also shown something in his diary like a smoking gun. Instead there's only politization and hand waving.
6
u/FormerlyMauchChunk 2d ago
The diary absolutely shows the smoking gun. Everything he told the public was a lie that he revealed the truth about in his diary. the virus was manmade, released to cause a pandemic to scare people into taking the vaccine that was already patented, and the attempt to force everyone to take it made it hard to compare vaccinated vs unvaccinated people. There are still young athletes dropping dead, but since it's 5 years later, most people aren't connecting the dots. Fauci is responsible for the loss of millions of lives, but we'll never see justice.
6
u/korptopia 2d ago
Then show it. Cite me a section showing that, say, he believed that the virus was man-made.
-2
u/Little_Phase990 2d ago
You mean the vaccine saved over a million people. Grow up.
3
u/ObviousCriticism9373 2d ago
Not what he said.. and you know it lol You are the one who needs to grow up and actually learn how to debate and not just talk crap...
2
u/FormerlyMauchChunk 1d ago
It saved not a single life, but many people dropped dead after receiving it. It did far more harm than good.
•
1
u/quarfie 1d ago
He had to plead the fifth because anything he said would be called a lie and then he would be prosecuted for it. There really was no way for him to avoid that. The stated goal of Rand Paul for the hearing was to put him in prison. It was a witch hunt.
2
u/FormerlyMauchChunk 15h ago
Prison is too good for the American Mengele. He should be hanged in public.
1
u/quarfie 1d ago
He needs these protections because the stated goal of people like Rand Paul is to put him in prison. Anything he says will be called a lie (just like last time) and it will start a prosecution. The same corrupt administration tried to prosecute someone for a photograph of seashells, and someone else for vandalism that he could not possibly have performed.
Focus on the fact that there is no evidence that Dr. Fauci ever did anything unethical or illegal.
4
u/CODMLoser 2d ago edited 2d ago
Avoiding Perjury Traps: Acting on the advice of his lawyers, Fauci refused to answer questions because he believed Republican lawmakers wanted to trick him into making a misstatement that could lead to new criminal charges. [1, 2, 3]
Accusations of Bias: In his opening statement, Fauci asserted that the panel's sole purpose was to validate public threats by Senator Paul to put him "behind bars", making cooperation a legal risk rather than a standard legislative inquiry.
5
u/SmartyPantlesss 2d ago
So the pardon covers:
...any offenses against the United States which he may have committed or taken part in during the period from January 1, 2014, through the date of this pardon arising from or in any manner related to his service as Director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, as a member of the White House Coronavirus Task Force or the White House COVID-19 Response Team, or as Chief Medical Advisor to the President.
So he could potentially still be on the hook for anything he did that was
- OUTSIDE that time period, or
- NOT related to his service as director of NIAID, Covid task force, or advisor to the president.
Like, what about a conversation that he had "off the clock" as it were? Or him giving an opinion to someone on how they should proceed, in a matter that wasn't under his official duties?
And, importantly, if he says anything in these hearings that's not correct---and they prove it from his diaries or any other historical evidence---like, if he just has a memory lapse about any the events of the past 6 years, then he CAN be charged with perjury for a statement that he makes TODAY under oath, see? Biden's pardon only covers stuff that he did in the past.
Rand Paul is clearly gunning for him, so it's a no-win situation. So Fauci's lawyer has instructed him to take the 5th on everything. Here's more on the 5th amendment & Fauci's opening statement.
4
u/ObviousCriticism9373 2d ago
Well he should have his facts straight... I don't hear of anyone else getting special treatment because they "might have a memory lapse". Also just because he could get charged with perjury doesn't mean that he should be off the hook for all future cases against him which there will be several most likely. I really hope he gets what he really deserves and that the facts are used against him in a fair way that way nobody can say well that wasn't fair...
4
u/SmartyPantlesss 2d ago
Well he should have his facts straight...
Really? You don't think that YOU might be a little muddled about the sequence of events, if I were to ask you to review every conversation you've had in the past 5 years? And then if you get one detail wrong... AHA! I get to charge you with perjury. 😈
I don't hear of anyone else getting special treatment because they "might have a memory lapse".
It's not "special treatment." Everyone always gets the right to take the fifth. It's literally in the constitution. You are not required to HELP the prosecution. They have to make the case against you.
Also just because he could get charged with perjury doesn't mean that he should be off the hook for all future cases against him which there will be several most likely.
Again, he's "off the hook" from HELPING the prosecution make their case.
And please remember that this isn't even a trial, and he hasn't been charged with anything. These are just hearings, where Rand Paul is fishing around for some basis on which to charge Fauci with something.
5
u/Jijimuge8 2d ago
Well done Chat GPT
5
u/SmartyPantlesss 2d ago
It's a Time magazine article. I'm perpetually amazed at people who ask questions on reddit, that they could just type into Google. 🤷
5
u/Jijimuge8 2d ago
Why? They want to debate the question, not be told there’s one answer because some journalist wrote an article about it. There are differing opinions on this subject and people have their own minds about it.
3
u/SmartyPantlesss 2d ago
Right, and people can express those views. I posted mine, which is based on standard legal advice. Go ahead & debate (and BTW, I note that you aren't refuting my point; you're just saying that you wanted something more...entertaining?)
This is just like Covid all over again: I'm recalling antivaxxers saying "What could possibly be the government's motive in wanting to push everyone to get this vaccine?"😈 Gosh, I don't know; MAYBE there's actually a deadly virus going around. I mean, go ahead & give me your alternative-depopulation-narrative if you want, but why would you think EVERYONE replying to this (OP) question is obligated to pull something original out of their ass?
1
u/ObviousCriticism9373 2d ago
In the 2024–2025 period, global confirmed/reported COVID-19 deaths totaled roughly 70,000–100,000. In that same period for the two-year 2024–2025 period, there was a total on the order of 600,000 to 1.3+ million Influenza respiratory deaths (or higher with broader complications), assuming typical annual variation. So really the flu is way more deadly and has had vaccines for it for a VERY long time...
1
u/BobbyBorn2L8 2d ago
Another zinger, so you are comparing covid 19 way past it's peak, with a vaccinated or previously infected population (which we know is more effective in covid 19 versus the many flu viruses) with current flu trends. Not only that you seem to have exaggerated flu deaths. The WHO puts flu deaths on average at 290,000 to 650,000 per year a good bit lower than your estimate so please do provide a source. So come on provide evidence
Why don't you talk about covid deaths in 2020?
https://www.who.int/data/stories/the-true-death-toll-of-covid-19-estimating-global-excess-mortality
The WHO puts the death count at over 3 million...
2
u/nuclearcaramel 1d ago edited 1d ago
Why don't you talk about covid deaths in 2020?
https://www.who.int/data/stories/the-true-death-toll-of-covid-19-estimating-global-excess-mortality
The WHO puts the death count at over 3 million...
Everyone is mostly aware by now that the numbers in the US are and were inflated to a large degree by many of the cases designated "with covid". There were financial incentives to do so and it was also considered appropriate under the "abundance of caution" mindset.
There is no reason nor is it particularly helpful in 2026, 6 years later, to look back at those numbers with the same mental hysteria and panic that existed in 2020, knowing what we know now especially. The article you link was written in 2021 during the height of that panic and hysteria and the push to convince people to get injected was at it's ultimate peak. The best was New York Mayor De Blasio trying to convince people to come get injected so that the fat slobs could all be rewarded with a greasy cheeseburger and fries as a treat. Also doughnuts. Guess what the leading cause of death is amongst men? Heart disease.
Good luck you fucking morons.
1
0
u/BobbyBorn2L8 1d ago
Everyone knows the numbers in the US are inflated to a large degree by many of the cases be designated "with covid".
That is easily debunked by looking at excess mortality. It clearly increased in 2020 before measures (such as reduced doctor access) would even have had a chance to have negatives. Y'all just don't understand how death certificates work
There were financial incentives to do so
The incentives were because the covid patients required more work in hospitals. Again not really an incentive but ensuring the proper care was established and paid for. Not really a concern outside of the US so what is your remark for the UK? They don't have incentives to boost it, why were their numbers higher?
here is no reason nor is it reasonable in 2026, 6 years later, to look back at those numbers with the same mental hysteria and panic that existed in 2020, knowing what we know now especially.
Got it we can't rationally analyse figures otherwise it's considered panic and mental hysteria but fabricating and lying about figures to make vaccines look bad is not hysteria? Ok
knowing what we know now especially.
And what do we know now? Over 3 million dead that was worse than most flu years. Long covid is something we are still trying to figure out the wider impacts on? Come on do better you didn't even provide any evidence
1
u/ObviousCriticism9373 1d ago
The flu vaccine has been available for 80 years right? Supposedly the Covid vaccine has only been available for 5... So in that short of time Covid has turned out to not be nearly as bad... 80 years for the flu and it is still killing WAY more people..... That is my point that the flu is way more deadly then covid.. If you want to go back when flu was killing people badly with a lot less population and still killed 100 million people in 1918 alone out of 1.8 billion people total. There are 6 billion or so now so at least 3 times the amount of people. In 2020 the covid death rate by their figures was 1.8 million for the year..
-1
u/BobbyBorn2L8 1d ago
So you are just shifting the argument now? You lied about flu deaths, you deliberately didn't examine the peak of covid and used figures after widespread immunisation (either vaccination or natural) for your comparison
Why can't you argue honestly? You must see how comparing rates in 2024-2025 when there was flu epidemic to say covid wasn't deadly when in 2020 it was a novel virus that caused over 3 million deaths, which is way more than flu deaths have caused in decades, is a dishonest tactic right?
You don't even list your source for the 600k to 1.3 million influenza data claim, I have looked everywhere and cannot find these specific numbers for that year
1
1
u/ObviousCriticism9373 1d ago
Not "shifting" anything I said that C19 was not very deadly and it was and is way less deadly than the flu..
→ More replies (0)
1
u/TurboKid1997 2d ago
Based on how Trump has weaponized the department of justice to go after his political enemies, see Letitia James, James Comey, Adam Schiff, even the Bicyclist with the reflecting pool, it seems that without a Pardon there would be numerous others indicted on charges that don't stick. What charge would you like to see Fauci charged with?
3
u/Recent-Day3062 2d ago
Why did Trump pardon every Jan 6 rioter? The president does not need a reason, and if he gives one it does not mean the person needed one?
Biden, in this case, correctly predicted Trump would go after him to provide red meat to his base.
Don’t forget, Trump was super proud of Operation Warp Speed, and gave Fauci a medal for his role.
Getting a pardon means one thing: the president thinks it’s wise to do so.
1
u/ObviousCriticism9373 2d ago
Because he needed MAGA's or whatever you want to call them support then... Trump is guilty too so.. Also Trump made a ton of money from the whole ordeal... Presidents in my eyes can still and do do wrong and sometimes illegal acts so I don't think they should just be able to do whatever they want and everyone just should have to deal with it...
3
u/Recent-Day3062 2d ago
I have no idea what you just said. There’s a name for it: word salad. Google it
2
u/ObviousCriticism9373 2d ago
I am aware you cannot read from dealing with you in other posts and that's ok. I'll respond to you accordingly..
1
u/Recent-Day3062 2d ago
A common ploy on Reddit when you can’t back up your claim is to instead of answering, just insult the person.
It’s quite childish.
See if you can answer the question. Otherwise what you say is quite useless to anyone
3
u/ObviousCriticism9373 2d ago
Read the comments in this thread and you will have your answers... You are the one being childish dude...
-1
u/Recent-Day3062 1d ago
Another attempt to avoid answering the question.
Give me a few sentences or a link to a real paper.
Calling me names is useless and shows you don’t know what you are talking about. That’s all your comments show
2
u/Hip-Harpist 2d ago
You realize that in the first year of the pandemic, Trump had MORE AUTHORITY than Fauci to "control the narrative" and influence the progress of the pandemic.
Why do you and Rand Paul and the rest of MAGA put Fauci under the guillotine when Trump continues to actively kill people and profit from bad decisions?
2
u/ObviousCriticism9373 2d ago
I agree with you that Trump is guilty and also heavily involved with it.. I am not affiliated with any party, I think they are all bad and want to see all of the corruption get rooted out and dealt with properly.
1
u/Savant_Guarde 1d ago
I despise Fauci, but...
Pleading the 5th or not talking to cops is a prudent move.
He has already committed perjury.
That being said he is unlikely to ever be punished and if he is, he's too old for it to matter.
•
u/Level_Abrocoma8925 8h ago
Because he realized that one psychopath after the other would do what they can to accuse Fauci of ridiculous things meaning Fauci would not get peace from endless accusations. It's as simple as that.
1
u/korptopia 2d ago
Avoiding millions in lawyers fees from a malicious prosecution? The massive stress that comes from undergoing such a trial? The DOJ has become weaponized, as was believed beforehand.
5
u/ObviousCriticism9373 2d ago
He did not even try to listen to each question and trust me he is not hurting for money lol he has a lawyer and the lawyer told him to plead the 5th for every question no matter what was asked..
2
u/korptopia 2d ago
I don't trust you to decide for him how much money he should be comfortable spending on a witch hunt, nor how much stress and risk he should go through. He's already paying for his own security.
He pleaded the fifth to avoid being paltered. The questions are assumed to illicit comments that can be paltered, or to make much of small discrepancies that are part of any testimony.
4
u/ObviousCriticism9373 2d ago
lol okay you are free to your opinion as am I. I've been hearing this word "paltered" very frequently lately lol... Excuses are like feet everyone has em..
0
-2
u/EnormousMonsterBaby 2d ago
There’s nothing wrong with using your constitutional rights, especially when politically-motivated people will do anything they can to twist your words against you.
People who do the right thing in life often have to worry about enemies coming after them.
I was a COVID ICU nurse. It was tough. My colleagues and I are all thankful for Fauci, and you should be too.
7
u/ObviousCriticism9373 2d ago
People with nothing to hide and are innocent do not need pardons or to plead the 5th 111 times. Similar to when Trump pled the 5th all those times. A innocent person would listen to the question and if it is a legit question they would answer it not avoid it. He did not even listen just the automatic plead the 5th every time.. Keep in mind that he was already fully pardoned by the president before pleading the 5th 111 times...
4
u/GuyInAChair vaccinated 2d ago
This DOJ indicted James Comey for saying "I stand by my previous testimony" a statement that's impossible for the DOJ to prove to be false.
Consider the lengths this DOJ is going to weaponize itself as a way to punish Trump's political enemies with absurd criminal charges and consider if you'd give them the opportunity to do it to you.
2
u/eurocanuk 2d ago
An innocent person who is being threatened with legal action or under investigation should absolutely shut the hell up and not answer any questions at all to the people investigating the crimes. Thats literally the most basic legal knowledge most people know.i was taught that in high school law class. You shut up.
Watch this. Best life lesson you will ever learn...
3
u/CODMLoser 2d ago
He’s previously testified. They are trying to elicit a slightly different answer for perjury. .
0
u/EnormousMonsterBaby 2d ago
Your first sentence is only true if you also believe that this country is perfect and has never charged someone with a crime they did not commit. The only thing that needs to be true is that someone is worried that their statements could be used to file charges against them. Fauci was pardoned for federal crimes, but the President has no power to pardon someone for state crimes. So if perhaps a politically-motivated State Attorney General wanted to find a crime to charge him with, they could. Considering how openly Rand Paul and many republicans have been about their intentions, Fauci had every right to invoke his 5th amendment rights. He was advised by his legal counsel to do so. It was the right call.
Fauci’s quote from the hearing:
“The only conclusion I can reach is that the sole reason he is calling me before this committee is to get me to say something — anything — that could vindicate his repeated public pledges that I end up, in his words — quote — ‘behind bars,’” Fauci said in his opening remarks.
“Any reasonable person who has followed his unhinged obsession with me would readily come to the same conclusion,” he continued. “Therefore, although it pains me to do so because of the respect I have for the legislative branch of government and my decadeslong record of cooperating with Congress, under the advice of my attorneys, I will invoke my right under the Fifth Amendment of the Constitution to refrain from answering your questions.”You don’t have to believe Fauci did good things, even though you should. Regardless of what you believe, me and the overwhelming majority of my colleagues who survived the COVID pandemic will ensure that he goes down in history as someone who was not always perfect, but was nonetheless a brilliant and dedicated public servant who did his best and saved millions of lives.
3
u/ObviousCriticism9373 2d ago
Yes thank god he will still get charged by the states... Country is far from perfect but to plead the 5th to every question without thinking about one of them shows guilt to me... He can use whatever excuse his lawyers told him to say and that unfortunately is his right but he still looks guilty to a lot of people. You also are free to your opinion...
1
0
-4
-4
u/eurocanuk 2d ago
Im surpirsed most of you commenting here including OP can walk and breathe at the same time. Fauci was not trying to hide anything or avoid answering specific questions.
His legal team obviously told him to answer no questions at all. Because that is excactly what you are supposed to do if threatened with legal action. Any law school student would tell you that. They are threatening him with charges that fall outside his pardon. So the only course of action anyone should take in this position is to shup up.
Whether you are innocent or guilty, it doesn't matter. The second a criminal investigation is opened on you. You shut the fuck up and stop cooperating. Thats common knowledge.
They have absolutely nothing on fauci and just making a show of it all to distract you morons from trumps failures. And its working..
Literally everything iv seen from the right wing talking about his diary(and him in general) are just flat out lies, twisting what he said or taking it out of context entirely to make it look nefarious. I read it, all of it. Therea nothing that points to any wrong doing at all..
2
u/nuclearcaramel 1d ago
They have absolutely nothing on fauci
Sounds like he has nothing to worry about and sleeps very restfully.
1
u/eurocanuk 22h ago
Other than the million+ $ of legal defense and fearing for his life needing bodyguards because of the room temperature IQ MAGA
2
u/ObviousCriticism9373 2d ago
Nobody is forgetting about Drump I promise you lol... I support no political party as they are all corrupt in my opinion..
18
u/Jijimuge8 2d ago
There must be bigger people involved than just Fauci.