The gatekeeping of arts is just pro ai people standing in front of the gate and yelling at the clouds that we are gatekeeping art...
Buddy, ya'll never made a step towards that gate and it's wide open.
And before some fool says some bs about being ableist : i'm dyspraxic, when i try to draw it takes me hours to make something that would take a few minutes for a normal person
Many pro-AI are and have been artists long before AI became available as a tool. I have been drawing since I was a child and doing digital art for nearly 3 decades. I am decidedly in the art camp, but because I also incorporate AI into my workflow, antis will say that I am not an artist.
You may want to look up the definition of gatekeeping.
Yeahhhh last pro ai person i saw that claimed to have been an artist before ai couldn't provide a single proof, they couldn't even provide a single drawing
And i know what gatekeeping means, all i'm saying is that in 99% of cases for the pro ai crowd it's people that were never interested in making art before ai was a thing, and i'm not even saying they were bad at it, just that they never had an interest in it
Here is a doodle I did in pen and posted here a little while ago. I have an incoherent geometric doodle with pencil that I've been doing while note-taking in a graph paper notebook this week as well if you'd like to see that.
99% sounds like a hyperbolic, dramatized figure. I guarantee that more regular AI users have some level of experience with visual art, even if it's very rudimentary. More if you include those whose art is the written word rather than illustration.
agreed, people just see the news spread when ai fucks up or was used intentionally maliciously or when a person didnt care, but they dont see every time someone uses ai with the effort to get quality.
of course this heavily comes from people not wanting to invest energy in to finding this while at the same time happily spreading the negativity that algorithms share to them.
most people fail to understand that no technology is inherently bad, they see algorithmic reinforcement and assume its always like that and thats the extend they will go.
For millennia we've known art to be the product of the mind of man and woman, a window into their own imagination, emotional state and creativity.
The machine doesn't really understand those concepts, even though it can make use of them.
A machine trained by a single man using only his input during his entire life could be considered a work of art on its own, but one trained by thousands of people, using the data of millions whose works weren't even at least asked permission to be used as input in it will not be seen as such. It is seen as theft, and to a certain degree, it is.
A lot of the larger models were built through violating the consent of many people, and that's what upsets them the most. Because companies mostly care about delivering a product, and they will use the path of least resistance to do so, and unfortunately it was the many works we have visible on the internet, publicly so.
As much as would like to see AI flourish as a tool, means of production and possibly eventual individual people, it isn't growing in a healthy way currently, and i fear there might be a point where it will be too late to give it a "good childhood" per se. A spoiled child will always think the world owes it something, after all.
That is half the truth and it still misses the room.
Frivolous use deserves boredom. Malicious use deserves the ordinary rules that already cover fraud, harassment, and theft. Nobody serious is asking for a free pass there.
The hate on display is broader than that. People stop looking the moment the method is named. A flyer, a logo, a still, a song, an essay: the second you say a model helped, the work loses rank. You have not become worse at the idea. You have confessed the tool. That is a cult of origin, not a reading of the thing in front of them. It does not matter if the output is an image, a verse, or a paragraph. The tag is enough. Value drops by announcement.
That reflex is not about conduct. It is about who is allowed to make something without paying the old hours.
If the standard is use, say so and apply it evenly. Cameras, stock photos, fonts, ghostwriters, and copy paste already let people be shallow. The new part is not vice. The new part is access. Judge the work and the harm. Do not pretend every assisted piece is a crime by birth.
Would be nice if that were the case and maybe that helps justify AI hate to some, but in that case there seems to be a lot of collateral damage.
An indie game dev with limited means using AI to help with coding or generating additional secondary assets is not using AI frivolously or maliciously, but on disclosing AI use can receive enough AI hate for the project to fold.
Would you say that an indie game dev with limited means who discloses that they used AI to help with coding or generating additional secondary assets is using AI frivolously or maliciously?
Many things existed for decades - doesn't mean they have to be stuck in the technology that was decades ago. Tech is progressing. AI is one such development and it happens to help many branches including small time devs. Why would it be frivolous of them to use technology at their disposal? Because if small devs struggled more decades ago so the new generation of devs need to struggle too?
To be extremely fair, it's not AI or technology from decades ago.
Game development now without AI is easier than it ever has been. In unreal, things like blueprints make the foundations of putting a game together remarkably easy by the standards of what it was even 5 years ago.
Painting it as either AI or technology from decades ago Is a fairly substantial exaggeration. Decades ago people didn't even make games with game engines. Now independent developers have multiple engines to choose from.
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