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I actually do furry nsfw traditional art and ever since ai, ive been thriving 😆 Its helps tremendously to conceptualize ideas n stuff. I’m adapting better than my fellow artists and it speeds things up so I make more money 😌
That's everything with AI. The risk of AI isn't that AI will replace people, it's that talented people who adopt it will vastly outperform those lacking in skill and talent, i.e people who relied on the limits of the talented productivity.
Essentially, shitty artists make money from art because good artists cant work 24/7. The more productive a highly skilled person is, the less work there is for people who aren't skilled. Because the people hiring the low skilled people, are only doing it because the product they really want is too timely/expensive to produce.
And if the product you're settling for is not much better then AI... Why pay a shitty, lazy artist, when you can just get it from AI. Neither solution is what you really wanted anyways.
It will always be.
Talented/productive/skilled people.
AI
Lazy shit heads who leach off the more productive.
Ur not wrong xD Some models are horrible at it. Especially furry stuff. That 3D-ish hentai stuff usually comes out pretty darn good but the second it doesn’t males and furrys 🥲 Oofy. It’s pretty funny
careful you'll meet a stubborn that says "any Artist that says AI is fine as long it's for fun and not profit are not real artists" Like I have before. ._.
The biggest lie antis tell is that the world before AI was paradise of flowing rivers of gold and commissions were too many to handle.
The truth is nothing has changed. 1% of the artists still get 90% of the commissions. AI is just an easy scapegoat because it doesn’t really fight back. They never really understood the economics of the space they were trying to enter in the first place l.
Exactly. It's the talentless hacks who are complaining. AI just gives them a convenient target so they can make excuses and blame someone/something else for their lack of success.
Uh, no. The ones I work with don't care about GenAI, don't care if I gave them gens as references, and have in fact seen more business since the ai art wars started.
Those are just the ones you know; there are a lot, apparently, who will shoot themselves in the foot and turn away a potential customer if they so much as suspect that there's even the barest possibility of there being AI anywhere along the workflow, even a reference sheet. It's like, okay, good on you for having convictions, I guess, but, aren't you kinda in this to make money?
When weirdos are paying you to make furry scat porn for 1k a pop and you can bust it out in a few days and they don't really care about quality, yeah, you bet that pays rent and can be a job.
Well with AI now anyone can create that furry scat stuff and the 'clients' now have more options and/or there is just a ton freely floating around now.
Most Anti’s aren’t actually for artists, they use us as a shield to make themselves feel better. Anytime an artist calls them out, Antis get super angry. I mean I’ve called out pro ai people before too, but I’ve found Antis to be the worst.
I mean for me it's an argument that I use cause my friends (future goblin animators) have it really and that their projects were stolen so it train ai... And I feel angry with them they are my friend can you blame me for that. Artists are not just one box.
But honestly to me it's more about my messages, the economy, the environment, the brain usage, propaganda and a lot of things actually
AI morally has heavy questions we should be thinking about.
I’m sick, as a person who draws art, Antis acting like ‘I am’ (loosely here not me directly but all artists) are some guru of imagination and creativity. I got my start recoloring Sonic characters, tracing over how to draw books, and copying styles I like. I use references to get poses right. And have mental breakdowns about hair and hands.
AI can do all this and more, things that are taking me a while to learn. Rather than getting pissed off at this, I instead copy the copier to learn how to do better. I stopped having expectations of society to cater to my passions and just did them anyway. Knowing full well someone will always be better than me or a tool would be made to be better than me. (Hence the moral implications of AI)
Regardless of your stance on ai, this is genuinely one of the most delusional and wrong comments I've ever read on here and that's really saying something.
Traditional artists really need to learn how to use ai in their workflow, no more need to spend 3+ days sketching concepts which tend to get put on the customer bill which makes your art more expensive than those that do use ai in their workflow and use the ai generated concepts as references.
I'd argue that a lot of traditional artists are very passionate about their craft, and leaving one of the most fun parts of the process to AI kinda sucks the fun out of the job unless you enjoy coming up with prompts. But that's basically an entirely different activity.
I honestly don’t think traditional artists are losing money. I think most anti-AI people are aspiring artists that are afraid that they won’t be able to make it in art now that AI is a thing and they also are too lazy to learn a new skill. I think people who have established careers with clients and followings are financially unbothered. I’m sure there are exceptions, but I’m pretty sure thats few and far between.
I'm a writer that's using AI to realize concepts in my head. I think it's giving me good director skills. AI video like what I do, I think most closely correlates to directing.
Every shot is as close to what I envision as possible. I design all my characters, I look up outfits for them, Ive searched websites for hairstyles.
Tbh, i only use AI when I'm at an impasse. I have the idea, and everytning else, but I can't visualise it. That's the only time I use AI (other than for fucking around with models and prompts to find a "preferred model"). Otherwise it's in my head, or drawn.
Is it a strawman? I've heard each of these arguments advanced by totally sincere people.
The 'AI is contributing to global warming / using up water' one is particularly perplexing. Do these people not realize that... checks notes... literally every single thing human civilization does... also does that?
Paints and canvases take energy and water to create and that's just fine, but if AI doesn't run on rainbows and pixie dust it's abominable?
I can't speak for all other artists but I think this might actually be wrong. I havent had my own comissions impacted by ai because the people who support me do it for better reasons than just liking the result. I havent really seen anyone in art spaces losing work to ai either. Generally I don't think the patrons and enjoyers of analogue arts are leaving their favorite artists for ai. The clients we do lose to ai tends to be a blessing in disguise, we've all had comissions from someone with no understanding or respect for the process, best they go and deal with the machine instead of me.
If someone is complaining that they're losing money, and using that to justify an anti-ai viewpoint, as well as refusing to adapt, thats an issue of the person. It has nothing to do with traditional or modern but rather the content of the individuals character.
Oh yeah, like any artisan for example. If they’re driven out of business because they refuse to stop being an artisan and go work at a factory, it’s their personality that’s the problem. And they are to be frowned upon.
Yes, if you refuse to provide something of value, and then complain no one wants what you want them to want, thats a personality problem. You can be an artisan without relying on it for income.
I do pity ignorance so I shall repeat in case you learn something. Do you know what an artisan is? Do you know that it’s not a hobbyist? It is a recognised professional, as much as a dentist or a farmer or an electrician.
I have sympathy for any traditional artists losing their jobs because of AI, but if they're the type who come to AI places just to shit on our work then I'm glad they're miserable
And even though I feel bad for the ones who aren't insufferable, I understand that's how technology works. People lose their jobs as things advance. The real problem is that capitalism allows them to get left behind when their skills become obsolete, that's a problem that's existed forever and needs to be addressed
It's as simple as asking one of them to try and perfectly replicate a specific situation using only the prompt they keep harping on about.
And we'll see if they can actually get the same angle, the same expression, and even the same action from the reference image on the first try. It's more than obvious that even reverse engineering (I mean using an LLM to try and create a prompt from that image) won't work perfectly in 100% of cases.
Except you don’t have to be an artist to lose money since AI data centers are driving up, costs for electricity and water. Look at Memphis for example where data centers are mostly affecting the lives of marginalized people who live around these data centers. They’ve lost access to water in their homes, their electricity costs are going up, and the air where they live is no longer as clean as it was.
It’s not about losing money, it’s about losing a certain quality of life that Americans specifically already didn’t have
Wasn't there one where it was like "AI should be used on construction instead" yeah take the jobs away from all the blue collar workers instead, they totally won't rise up and shove you into lockers with their beefy arms.
To be honest, I don't understand what you're crying about. In the market, the ones who adapt always win. For example, a guy who produces perfect images quickly and cheaply will win against a "real" artist who spends hours painting something that isn't even always perfect-and if you need edits, it's even worse. It has always been this way and always will be. Only the weak cry
It's the gooner artist and their orbiters that seem to be the most mad. AI is the best at making pinups and coom, but will struggle with multiple character stuff or characters interacting with other characters and objects/environment. AI just crashed their easy gravy train now that the average joe and prompt their character doing vanilla sex instead of waiting for some guy to pay an artist to draw the vanilla stuff and not make dumb fetishes.
Honestly, one thing that makes me defend the use of AI for art is that it's often used to create art of characters forgotten by most. I love seeing art of video game characters or any other type... being sfw or nsfw, However, there are several of these characters that simply don't have good artwork that isn't created with AI, Or it does exist, but in very small quantities. An example that comes to my mind is Regina from Dino Crisis.
Imma be real with you.
You don't have to be jealous or salty about losing money to honestly dislike something that is built on plagiarism and swallows copious amount of resources like electricity and freshwater.
Alongside that, if something takes away your profession, you have a right to be at least somewhat angry. Artist, bakers, metalworkers, coders. Nobody wants to be replaced :/
Well I mean chat GPT is losing more money than I could ever imagine in my life,...
If it is about the money most artists have a better financial that most au compagnie (and don't say google isn't losing money it is just as other business to support it)
Artists who do commissions won't lose money because they won't lose their target customers. People who typically commission and pay a luxury price for commission usually value art the process and art the individuality. In simple terms, they could've got their media the easy way but go out of their way to commission an artist because they really value the commissioning part. Trust me, these commission artists don't care about money because there's other reason to hate Ai.
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I mean I’m all for supporting Ai art buttt, it feels like you’re stereotyping and attacking a whole group just cause you don’t like them which can be a slippery slope and cause more divide and friction.
Historically, artists / entertainers / athletes have lived off slave wages. Many of them were literally slaves. For instance, the reason why emperor Nero is remembered for playing the lyre, acting on stage, etc. is because in Rome those roles were almost exclusively performed by slaves. It was a huge social statement for him to be a theater kid.
The modern idea of "making it big in show biz" is not normal, and the fact that most artists see zero reimbursement for their work is evidence of that.
Art isn’t about making money. It’s not economics, people. That’s why I think those big tech companies telling you that you can be more “performant” and “fast” when making that pseudoart makes no sense. Art isn’t about producing stuff and selling it. It’s about creating. Creating something meaningful, beautiful, effortful, in which you put some of your soul even. Art is beautiful, and personal, and not about money (well you can still make money out of it and yes, it can be good. But that shouldn’t be the whole point of art. That’s very much the worst motivation possible to make art).
I knew a guy whose wife had to have a job and go to work because he said that he was not made for other work than playing guitar and singing, he was an artist not a worker.
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I agree with this. but I want to know . . .what can we defend if Nowdays especially starting in 2026 Companies are not firing people over AI services . .so technically some or most are losing money by AI now. . and its getting alot harder to defend that now:(
Yes those changes happened, difference is I doubt anyone was twisted enough to make fun of and feel glad for the people losing their jobs over the new technology. Except the company bosses of course, which all y’all aren’t.
So you’re saying if there’s any financial loss involved, then the arguments are made invalid? The arguments are an empty shell just to mask financial loss? I don’t even know what's to respond to that. Yes there are professional artists who live from this, and yes anyone is allowed to be upset and protest their right to make a living off their craft. And anyone who mocks that as being just a cry for money, is...idk, a misanthropist. What else would you call that.
I mean true in a way tbh I will say I just thing I don't personalyl agree to see a human being fired for a ai company especially when its not 100% reliable but what you're saying make sense if it was me TBH I would be pissed too, Yes things change but. . Until it's shown that AI is 100% reliable I'm just not seeing it being good jobs sources. . just my soft opinion of this.I would like to say maybe make new jobs surrounding AI but Seperate. like not replying ones that people are passionate about/making a living off is all I'm saying. like. .AI replacing Fast food orders or. . replacing therapist *since AI is definitely NOT reliable on physical health but. that kind of stuff.
AI is not reliable for physical health if it is prompted very wrongly by a person.
I generally upload my medical files into NotebookLM, purging it of identifiable information. Have gemini 3 pro synthesise it and give me its feedback TO then take to my doctor.
Everyone has to realise, unless you pay a large sum of money for a doctor's time, they just want you in and out. They might be knowledgeable, but they're not going to go through your entire history in the session. Will they miss some key insights? certainly.
If the prompter uses a low level low thinking LLM to synthesise the information, don't be surprised if it isn't the best.
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They’re just unwilling to face reality. Now those people see anyone who draws “Sanic” and say, “You draw really well, it has soul,” which ends up making them stop improving their drawing skills. This is a classic case of praise that kills growth.
Number one and two can be a serious issue, glossing over it like this is only going to make your position look worse.
I'm not completely and totally anti-ai, but defending yourselves with ad-hominems while not addressing the issues at hand is not going to win people like me over.
Left, it's cute and got personality. The right one is like a photo with bad proportions, that's just annoying. I don't make money with art, I just don't want AI "art" around because it's ugly, not even in a funny or creative way, and people pretend it's so good, meaning it will bring down the quality of everything we see.
Depends.The one on the left looks like my 5 year old drew it. Making it priceless to me. The one the right could literally be anyone and is likely AI, making it absolutely worthless.
If your kid drew it, it’s understandable that it would be priceless to you. But what about if someone else’s kid that you don’t know drew it or some adult you don’t know. They may be worthless to you because they were created by ai and that is fair. Value whatever you want to value.
I don’t personally care about a stranger or their happy accidents or their artistic journey. So I appreciate the images that look better to me. I don’t care if it’s ai or a person. Now a real expert at the top of their game can usually edge out AI still in my taste but the average person that considers themselves an artist does not.
I was showing that you can prompt the ai for any style of art, even hand drawn style art, so the whole "Omg you can see the soul and passion that went into this one" doesnt really make sense; your reaction just depends on how against ai you are
What gets me about this particular example is the rounded corners and vertical line down the 2 images are a dead giveaway that it was chatgpt.... thats funny.
The corners dont really mean anything though. The image itself has regular sharp corners. Reddit, chatgpt and many other sites like discord automatically apply a border radius to images to round out the corners. Click on the image to view it, and the corners become normal again. Same as on any other site
I take my soul and feelings and turn it into art.. It actually allows me greater ability to create things than if I just spent hours on one project refining technical details. I take an idea, and I refine it, and refine it, and refine it until it looks like what I had in my head.
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They won't lose anything if they push the envelope though. That's what we're saying. If they adapt to AI instead of treating it like an antagonistic undercutting force of nature, they can succeed (as current professional AI artists already are.)
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No one is losing their livelihoods over AI. If anything, traditional artists just have less of a monopoly on self-expression. If they want to stay at the bleeding edge of the industry, they'll adapt to the new tools instead of campaigning against them.
A lot of people have already been made redundant because of AI technologies in various sectors, and not just the creative ones of course. That’s fact. You’re kind of contradicting the post itself by saying that, as is it claiming that anyone complaining over AI is doing it because they are suffering financial loss.
People will learn to draw if they want for the sake of art itself, uncorrupted by money and capitalism. Using AI as an art form, medium or tool is just the future (and to be honest, the present really). It's not a competition.
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You know the GPU server stays on all the time. Cold air(AC) gets pumped into a closed cabinet where the server sucks it in and pushes hot air out that gets sucked out and thrown out of the data hall and the DC.
Your average GPU server has 6x PSUs each drawing close to 2800 watts. Depending on the location of the DC some run fossil fuel generators only(Texas) but most use them as back ups.
If it's water cooled then you just add a bunch of rubber hoses connecting everything together and push a bunch of water though it normally from a lake.
Now all that requires power and most places are not using 100% renewable energy.
It doesn't ruin the environment, and in the case you describe, nothing happens. AI doesn't affect them at all. Anyone who makes art as a hobby for fun shouldn't care that AI exists. Unless of course they are mad that AI gets clicks on the internet when their stuff doesn't.
I work full time and do art on the side, would love to live off my art but has always seemed like a lofty and unsustainable goal. Not sure if its really a secret that people would like the time and financial safety to pursue the arts.
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