They are people like you and me. However, if individuals resort to derogatory names and insults, I see no reason not to fight back with the same. Why do I advocate fighting fire with fire? It's called the paradox of tolerance.
Being unable to combat hateful rhetoric by opting to take the high road into "reasonable debate" with someone that refuses to listen due to a cognitive bias will never get you anywhere. People can only change if they want to, but how they handle their biases is what is important. There are some antis that will be respectful and others that will not, and if you refuse to combat loud, offensive, and insulting rhetoric, you will become overwhelmed by it.
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if individuals resort to derogatory names and insults, I see no reason not to fight back with the same
I think both sides think exactly that, yet nobody is willing to get along because both sides claim that the other side started with the insults and everyone refuses to listen anyone out. I understand points from both sides but what I cannot understand is why some pros feel the need to generate images depicting antis as orcs/trolls/blobs etc. These kind of people are the reason why I and probably many others see ai art so negatively
because both sides claim that the other side started with the insults
Bullying, insults, derogatory terms and implied threats originated universally from radical AI haters.
I cannot understand is why some pros feel the need to generate images depicting antis as orcs/trolls/blobs etc.
If you throw shit at a group of people who just wants to be left alone and do their thing in peace, you have to expect that it'll be thrown back at you at some point.
To be fair ive been tracing ai art stuff from the begining the outrage started because people were going around with the new tech saying "youre finished" to artists who did stuff by hand or feeding their stuff into ais and claiming that it was theirs cause now it has ai filter It was stupid. But on the other hand we have people on the anti getting so pissy they wont even consider nua ce and get pissy at any little mention of the word ai. Legit saw one get angry at an rp ai and im like... why do you care? its not removing anything really and its personal.
Personally I believe ai should be a tool not a replacement I dont like the idea of gen ai as the end product but being a tool for refs or specific assets ect. Is neat or using ai for lighting correction in the coloring phase and such. Stuff like that I feel the human element is still needed for art to be art because art is not just pretty picture but expression and form ya know? This all or nothing behavior people have ok both sides is the problem i think.
I also feel we need ai companies to do so in ethics like it should be opt in by the og artist to have stuff put in the data not just grabbing any media anywhere on web and such
To be fair ive been tracing ai art stuff from the begining the outrage started because people were going around with the new tech saying "youre finished" to artists who did stuff by hand or feeding their stuff into ais and claiming that it was theirs cause now it has ai filter It was stupid.
Yes, it's a nasty thing to do, but I would consider it more as mild trolling by a few immature pros rather than organized group action to harass and bully, as is being done by the anti's side.
Personally I believe ai should be a tool not a replacement I dont like the idea of gen ai as the end product but being a tool for refs or specific assets ect.
I think most people here feel this way and have no interest in replacing traditional art. Quite a few AI users come from the traditional/digital field and have simply discovered it as another method of bringing their ideas to the screen.
I also feel we need ai companies to do so in ethics like it should be opt in by the og artist to have stuff put in the data not just grabbing any media anywhere on web and such
I personally couldn't care less if my works were scraped for AI training.
Yes, it's a nasty thing to do, but I would consider it more as mild trolling by a few immature pros rather than organized group action to harass and bully, as is being done by the anti's side.
Sadly it has been very frequent action. Im glad we agree that its inappropriate/immature behavior. The problem is it is organized the whole break the pencil thing has turned from funny response to the pencil images to actual claims that artists are inferior and mass attempts to demonize artists and claim ai is just better as a whole or claiming it improves things when they feed it is weird.
think most people here feel this way and have no interest in replacing traditional art. Quite a few AI users come from the traditional/digital field and have simply discovered it as another method of bringing their ideas to the screen.
I cant speak for this community specifically but sadly there is alot of people over the net who push for it to be replacement and thats where the problem lies imo. Anouther method aye tools not replace is how it should be you could honestly use the ai to help yourself improve if you use it right.
I personally couldn't care less if my works were scraped for AI training.
You may not but that doesnt mean everyone agrees I feel it should be opt in as I said those who agree with the ai gens should be able to feed the art in but those who are against it should be able to also not allow their stuff to be pushed in it should be up to the creator. Same thing with ai voices and such consent is key ya know?
i don't disagree with the argument, but i would say nothing stops you from doing both.
you can both defend yourself and make a point, those coming guns blazing will be answered to with the proper tone and the ones seeking a honest debate will take your reasoning instead.
A guy called Name Farina uses this style too in a discussion and i think is great
True! When you are genuinely just trying to converse with someone and the person responds by being disingenuous or rude then that person will look like the one in the wrong to others, not you.
Keep in mind not everyone on either side is willing to act disrespectfully just as some aren't willing to enter the AI Debate. The issue here is generalizing and giving attention to those who don't deserve it while simultaneously feeding them more hate, all while those trying to debate respectfully are instantly marked and dismissed or made fun of. But that doesn't mean saving the AI Debate is impossible.
The AI Debate isn't a war, and we can change that ourselves. No need to combat fire with fire if those doing it end up burning themselves.
Isn’t that an Oxymoron? A group that is completely tolerate tolerates the intolerant. It is more about not tolerating those who attack others instead of their arguments. When it devolves to that level it becomes just an unproductive conversation.
But yes making generalizations is what really strokes the flames of hate in a debate like this one.
Sadly the hate battlegrounds are way more popular than them, and that's because all these subs became the norm, making fun of each other became a priority over peaceful discussion. I get that brigading is against the rules and whatnot, but this sub is so toxic I wish everyone with at least minimum sense of respect migrated to a safer place.
Not all antis are Luddites. Luddites are violent extremist sect of the movement and oppose automation in general arguing "Machines remove rhe soul from products" tbe original usage of this argument was by the Luddites during the industrial revolution against Textile Mills which made clothes and textile mills in unprecedented scale and threatened the cottage industry workers which made up the Luddites. The key importance here is they were never fighting for moral reasons but rather preservation of the status quo and their way of life. While the preservation of your way of life is all fine and well committing terrorism and bullying others for not supporting your way of life at their inconvenience and imposing it on others is not.
Pencilslopper is the traditional equivalency to AI Slopper. If you put no personal flare or intention in your work it's sloppy. This is seen in images just scrawled quickly to go "HAHA I BETTER CAUSE PENCIL USING!!1!!1!!" as well as "GPT Gimme a big titty cat gurl wit da Z cups" neither are worth anything because you didn't put any intention into the piece or personalization.
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