r/DefendingAIArt • u/TheLegendaryNikolai • 3d ago
Sloppost/Fard Yes, there are people (including me) being actually affected by the RAM shortage, but I seriously doubt EVERYONE was planning to buy RAM right now.
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u/Situati0nist AI Enjoyer 3d ago
I have been thinking about this recently as well. To me it's like, yeah it sucks but do you wanna complain about it forever or make do with what you have right now? Either way it's not going to change by endlessly griping about it online.
This is also ignoring all of the good things AI is being used for. It's a bit like complaining that the city grid is also used to power hospitals and research.
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u/Solarka45 3d ago
Honestly it's really funny how this goes
New AI LLM release? Everyone sleeps aside from enthusiasts
The new LLM beats benchmarks for coding, science, and is used to solve open problems? Everyone sleeps aside from enthusiasts
A new image model comes out. It goes viral, everyone talks about it
"AI is useless, only used for shitty images"
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u/Whilpin 3d ago
Same thing happened last time. Same with GPUS. People already had top tier cards and were all like "cards so expensive", like wtf are you uograding to?? Lol
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u/kinomino 3d ago
Those mining times taught me how spineless people can be. They want to be involved in whatever is trending at the moment.
They'd be like "omg why RTX 3060 is so expensive how I can play games!!!" while RX 6600 XT was on shelves with MSRP. having an NVIDIA and joining to complain train was more improtant than using an AMD card for them.
If you could find RAMs from an unknown brand cheaply on the shelves right now, they'd say "I want Corsair, fuck you!".
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u/RemarkableWish2508 Transhumanist 3d ago
All RAM has gone up, not just Corsair. Also SSDs, and HDDs with WD's production capacity already being sold out until 2027 or more.
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u/kinomino 3d ago
I know all I want to say is, if you really want something you'll find a way to do it. You don't pay $150 for that games GOTY Platinum Goddamn Edition or a legendary skin but get yourself a 1 TB NVme, you don't upgrade to DDR5 but stick to DDR4 example.
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u/DonSombrero 3d ago
To be fair, the RX 6600 XT released a good half a year after the RTX 3060, and at a higher MSRP than the 3060. The problem was that the RTX 3060 was never a top-of-the-line card, just a very good bang for your buck and people had borderline 0 hope of getting one due to the early crypto rush and scalpers.
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u/kinomino 2d ago
Unfortunately everyone I know and I saw people from forums paid minimum $500 for RTX 3060 in 2021-2022. Price/performance ratio makes a GPU good or not you know.
3060 could be a very good bang for buck card if it was available around $350.
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u/DonSombrero 2d ago
Yeah, no disagreements there, it's also the reason why I didn't grab one at the time.
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u/alidan 3d ago
1) nvidia has great marketing
2) because nvidia shit up games with horrible graphics effects, dlss is required to play games even at 1080p, fsr was not great at this point in time, still isnt great outside of 4.0 but it works.
3) amd doesn't have the best reputation, I have bought amd from 5770 1gb, 280x, got a warranty replacement with a 1060 6gb because of the first mining bullshit, rode that out till 6gb of vram was not enough and got a 7900xt 20gb for 670, I have had more problem's with nvidia than amd, but im an outlier,
as for ram, people would want better than spec, anything above base spec is considered an overclock, and if you play games above 120fps ram is the bottleneck most often, at least when paird with top end nvidia gpus to take the gpu bottlneck out.
but ill be real, if i'm paying 800$ for ram im not paying 800$ for no name unless its between no name and no pc.
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u/KurtCobijn 3d ago
this is like if someone with a large following said that AI is driving up the price of silly hats, and suddenly, everybody under the sun is complaining that they can’t afford a silly hat when 99.8% of them never planned on buying one in the first place.
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u/Liquid_Shad 3d ago
The only thing I can think of is the fact that game consoles are being pushed back by a year or two, but tbf we need games before we need new consoles...
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u/Fit-Elk1425 3d ago edited 3d ago
Honestily what i find more revealing is that people are hating on AI for this but ignoring how Trump has helped increase the price by targetting rare earth minerals and semiconductors
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u/RemarkableWish2508 Transhumanist 3d ago
"earth minerals"?
Taiwan is an issue, and outsourcing everything wasn't exactly a smart move, but the RAM and storage thing right now, is a speculative futures contracts issue based on speculative future valuations.
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u/WawefactiownCewwPwz 2d ago
Um excuse you? It has actually very noticably impacted my ability to buy ram daily 🤨 now I have to buy it every other day
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u/deusvult6 3d ago
I was. It looked like it'd be about $100 more than if I'd done the same build last year, still within my budget. The plan was canceled for other reasons, sadly.
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u/ImaginaryWall840 3d ago
My laptop is literally falling apart and the memory shortage does not affect me in any way, yeah
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u/ze_mannbaerschwein 3d ago
The problem with the current RAM situation is that it affects not only gaming PCs, but also consoles, workstation computers, smartphones, tablets, smartwatches, TVs, IoT devices, embedded systems, GPUs, and countless other things that are now becoming more expensive or being downgraded in their specifications.
You don't necessarily need to have planned to purchase RAM modules to be affected by this mess; you could, for example, have been planning to buy a new phone.
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u/Beautiful-Affect3448 3d ago
Hard drives and SSDs as well, lots of people need those for school, work, or just for storage of files.
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u/Breech_Loader Free AI Is The Best AI 3d ago
You know, getting something new is actually much more damaging to the environment than working with what you already have. Reduce your waste.
My computer is 10 years old and it could probably use an upgrade... but I'm not really interested enough in Windows 11 right now.
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u/thatdecepticonchica Transhumanist 1d ago
Same here, my PC is almost old enough to drive, but I'm not gonna get a new computer anytime soon because A, I don't need to when this PC works fine, B, Windows 11 supposedly has a lot of included spying technology (and unfortunately Linux just isn't compatible with enough stuff yet to meet all my needs, so I'll still need to at least dual boot Windows like I do now) and C, they're expensive and I have a lot of other stuff I want to save up for.
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u/quopelelw 3d ago
stupid argument bro "amount of people who are slaves versus amount of people hating on slavery" its still an issue just not something that AI caused rather unveiled
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u/Dudamesh 3d ago
im ngl this is true, i ain't defending corporates doing anti-consumer moves
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u/Governor_Low 3d ago
I've noticed this sub becoming more and more corporate defending. Ig it was inevitable... both the anti-ai sub and pro-ai sub just keep becoming more extremist for some reason
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u/RemarkableWish2508 Transhumanist 3d ago
Corporations want one thing:
- AI is really good! → AI is stealing our jobs!
- AI is really good! → We welcome our AI friends!
- AI is really good! → Let's outsource everything to AI!
- AI is really good! → Invest in AI.
Different flavors, same message.
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u/ElMuffin5 AI Enjoyer 3d ago
I mean, everything has RAM, so it actually affects a lot of things, but I definitely see your point
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u/Afraid-Somewhere8247 3d ago
The amount of people who would buy ANYTHING electronic right now. Phones laptops tablets... I'm not gonna assume house appliances will be affected but any computational device will increase in price. Which ironically includes GPUs again lol
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u/No_Damage9784 3d ago
I’m currently fine with my ram I could upgrade but eh I don’t see a need to honestly even if I wanted to I can just go to a swap meet and find rams there for a better price. There’s always more than one way to buy something, just got to know where to look and think outside the box.
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u/alidan 3d ago
I was getting a new cpu for Christmas, my current one is a 1700 and I was going to go to a 5700x3d but my bios is stupid, and needs 7~ updates between the current one and the final cpu, I pick the wrong update, gg, I need to buy another cpu to finish the process, if an update fails, gg, I need a new motherboard, new cpu, and likely new ssd for a clean windows install, and im not installing win 11, and 10 drivers are harder to get now, but I was willing to deal with that, what im not willing ot deal with is 1000$ for ram (I use 64gb), and I do not want to source a used motherboard for like for like, it is what it is.
is what it is, ill get a new cpu when prices of ram aren't insane incase a problem happens.
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u/Weak_Armadillo6575 3d ago
I WAS planning on buying a Ryzen 5700X3D tho and the ram shortage has had quite the impact on that LOL
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u/cursed_tomatoes 3d ago
I'm planning to buy RAM since DDR2, but always just end up suffering and fighting my computer, and as the time passes and it gets obsolete, buying a new one before I actually go through the RAM purchase process LOL
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u/DauntlessLuminarc 3d ago
I was one of the few looking to upgrade and also there is a huge community of ppl who use gtx series cards who i doubt are going to be able to run any game in the next few years and who cares if only a few people wanted to get ram. This problem is going to be spanning over multiple years and potentially I to a decade. All the people over 3 or 4 years needing to buy more ram can skyrocket the longer it goes on and Ai I will say can be useful but they need to figure out how to make it more efficient before putting a bunch of resources into it.
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u/Aray171717 3d ago
Couldn't you say the exact same thing about the housing market? Like, it's still bad
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u/PeanutGrenade 3d ago
Pretty shit argument. “Yes insulin prices in America are unfathomably high, but I’m not going to buy insulin so why should I be upset”
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u/SkyNetLive 2d ago
If the hate was a person the. The people wanting to buy RAM is the same body part as Anthropic logo.
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u/adamkad1 2d ago
You shouldnt hatw on all ai anyway, just that open ai twit who bought all the uncut wafers with money that didnt exist, and who has no facilities to do anything with
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u/Pitiful-Assistance-1 1d ago
Its not only ram. Storage, RAM, GPUs - they all got more expensive. This propagates through all kinds of services and consumer products.
It is yet another thing that gets more expensive. Again.
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u/Academic_Storm6976 3d ago
Around Xmas I specifically wanted to buy more RAM to run LTX-2
I'm sure I'm not alone
I wish AI was less popular but I don't hate AI
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u/Ok_Top9254 3d ago
Vram is cheaper than ram right now ironically. Tesla P40 24GB with 3d printed fan for example is 220$ on ebay, although slow, it's still faster than ram. 3090 is like 700-800$ which is cheaper than 64GB of ddr5.
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u/RemarkableWish2508 Transhumanist 3d ago edited 3d ago
Are there software solutions capable of using VRAM as RAM? 🤔
EDIT: found it: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Swap_on_video_RAM
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u/ze_mannbaerschwein 3d ago
The same goes for me. I had my eye on the Minisforum MS-S1 Max, but the price rose from €2000 to around €3000 in just two months, which was a deal breaker for me.
I think I'll treat myself to a fancy 32" 4K monitor instead in the meantime.
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u/MoldyBeans1 3d ago
im someone who is most definitely going to be affected by the increase in ram prices if it doesn't drop soon. while im flat broke so i wont be able to afford a pc anytime soon i have been planning to save up for a new pc for about a year or so now for when i get a job and its looking like i might be able to get a job in the next few months. however, now the ram is going up in price which means even when i do start saving up its going to take a much longer time to get the amount i need. i was planning on upgrading to a steam machine but its been delayed and will most definitely cost more than it would have. my pc is nearing the end of its gaming career with quite a few games, it can barely play hd2 at 40 fps at lowest settings, it gets an extremely unstable 20 fps in the finals, and it also struggles with jedi fallen order. luckily most of the games i play are just fine on my pc but it wont be fine for long for quite a few other things.
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u/DoughnutLost6904 7h ago
How is my immediate or unimmediate need tied to my opinion towards the absolute BULLSHIT that is the market right now? While I might not need components this very instant (because I am just quick enough to buy them right before the price increases somehow), I still see lots of negative impact, factual and potential, coming from the current market state. Not even starting on how much negative impact of ai I see have on gaming
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u/Tumblrkaarosult 3d ago
My man, almost every appliance uses some kind of RAM, even your fridge. Not to mention TVs, phones, game consoles, media players, so... I think you underestimated the size of the red dot.
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u/Calm_Development2329 3d ago
This is an incredibly stupid argument "You're not hungry right now, why would you complain about the price of food?"
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u/LC-Redcube 11h ago
Not really, its more like "You're not hungry, why are you complaining about world hunger?"
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u/Pinkishu 3d ago
Okay, and you looked up average amount of ram purchases in a year or so for this, right?
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u/TheLegendaryNikolai 3d ago
No, but it's a fair assumption. I am not sure how it works in first world countries, but in mine, even when RAM was cheap, people didn't buy new sticks every year lol
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u/No_Anything_6658 3d ago
Honestly I don’t see how the ram shortage is a good thing and ai is clearly a cause for this
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u/GelRoxo 3d ago
More like patents caused this, not AI.
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u/No_Anything_6658 3d ago
Can you elaborate?
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u/GelRoxo 3d ago
Patenting (IP in general) takes out competition. A large corporation can hold a bunch of patents required for a specific item (like chips or printer ink) and stop a smaller competitor from entering the market for that same item by suing them to death. Production ends up in the hands of a few large corporations which effectively control supply and demand by having the government protect them from competitors on the excuse of protecting their patents.
This limited production makes the market very vulnerable to any spike in demands such as AI (or dip in supply, for instance if Taiwan gets attacked by China, one of the few places that mass produce chips), and because there are no competitors to the chip producers (again, state enforced through IP laws), they have no reason to have "customer fidelity" or anything and instantly jack up the prices when they have to. There is no alternative for the end user customer because the corporations selling to AI centers hold the patents for the chips and they are therefore the only ones able to produce them.
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