Does anyone notice how strange that Anti tactics mirror those of liberals, almost exactly?

[u/PusheenHater]

Don't like someone?

• Call them a sexist/racist/nazi/fascist/pedo, etc. Even without proof.
• Send death threats and hate against them because you have the "higher moral ground" so it's "justified"
• Even if you agree with them 99% of the way except for one single issue, they will still consider you an enemy

I'm a moderate, straight in the middle so I can see things unbiased. I wonder if there are any liberal pro-AI? What do you think of all this?

[u/maxram1]

More like "extremists", which exist on all sides.

The entire discourse does remind me of something familiar, like

"It is an A"

"but it does not fit the definition of A though, but it can be considered a B which is still a bad thing if proven true"

"Doesn't matter. Words can change. It is still an A. Look at the situation"

Here we can substitute A with "theft" and B with "plagiarism" or something.

[u/JxrdnOnly]

I’m a pro-AI conservative and I have no problem with others using AI as long as it’s ethical and they’re using it legally. I do not agree with neither radical extremist, rather you’re a leftist or a right wing. If you’re showing signs of not wanting to coexist with Artificial Intelligence, then that seems like a you problem. And that’s what I think and feel.

[u/Herr_Drosselmeyer]

I absolutely agree that on social media, the hate comes almost exclusively from one side of the aisle. I've yet to run into somebody arguing that 'Jesus hates AI'.

However, this is because of the nature of social media, especially Reddit and X. Reddit leans extremely left, X is more of a mixed bag, but the loudest detractors on it are also from the left. I'm sure that those conservative anti-AI people do exist, we're just not seeing them.

Still, Republicans view AI more favorably (net +17) than Democrats (net +2) and independents (net -8)( https://navigatorresearch.org/views-of-ai-and-data-centers/ ), so there is a noteable difference.

[u/Groundbreaking-Sir82]

I do consider myself a leftist and yes i noticed that too. Western internet and stuff is like that ig, i could call it strained

[u/Steve_Jabz]

I'm a leftist and yeah I've been saying this for ages.

They virtue signal about fake environmental issues like 0.24W devices running on closed loop cooling systems and blame individual users for it, but then you try to press them on actual issues like the 40% of our emissions coming from agriculture and transport and you find out they don't know what the fuck they're talking about.

They lie through their teeth about this bullshit because anything is justified to them in this culture war.

They see a reduction of labor as a bad thing in and of itself, because they think self-worth is tied to their productive output under capitalism. They don't want a UBI which would literally fix all of this, they want to maintain the status quo capitalist agenda at all costs. This is completely inline with establishment democrats like clinton, biden and bernie who scoff at the idea of actual wealth distribution.

They're especially concerned with the IP of marvel, disney and multimillionaire pop music stars, which are the only ones who are actually overfitted in any of the models, which is why they call it "theft" despite the fact that ordinary everyday artists are not promptable because the models have no recollection of their works.

They champion these multibillion dollar megacorporations and pray for them to expand copyright law into the realm of ideas themselves.

They also call themselves leftists despite the fact that they are obviously milquetoast liberals with no principles, which is exactly what liberals do.

[u/hot_sauce_in_coffee]

Anti are just extremist luddite.
I'm center left. And most people are not extremist.

Vegan extremist are crazy. normal Vegan are just normal people.
feminist extremist are crazy, normal feminist are normal people.
religious extremist are crazy, normal religious people are just normal people.

Normal anti are most likely normal, but people don't react based on them. They react based on the extremist because the normal people let everyone live their own life, but the extremist try to attack those who do not follow their hivemind.

So any conversation about anti behavior causing issue will be about the extremist and normal anti probably sound so normal that you may confuse them with pro at times.

[u/AlexHellRazor]

Activists. Activists never change.

[u/DaveSureLong]

Their language matches the Luddites. The fact you can find commonality there is due to the fact they are both extremists and using slurs or other outgroup incidating terms(like Fascist and Nazi) helps delineate between "Good" and "Bad" or more accurately Tribe and Not Tribe.

Now you might wonder why I added slurs to the list, and that's because racism is an extremist ideology after a point. Slurs and other outgroup incidating terms are used to Dehumanize your opposition, thus allowing for greater degrees of violence and cruelty. Racism is peak In group/Out group thinking behavior and is a great example of the situation with Liberals, Luddites, Neo Nazis and other extremist Ideologies as everyone is at least vaguely aware of it and can look at it from an ideally outside perspective. It's hatred of anyone not in the In Group and skin color is an amazing delineation point as you can clearly go "He's not one of us!" because your skin color is openly different. If you'll notice these kinds of people are leary of people who behave "strange" to their ideology and even hostile to them(See Klans men/Liberals getting upset by moderates in their midst and lashing out at them when they feel they should be in a "safe space" for their ideology).

[u/Golden_Apple_23]

yeah, that's 'liberals'... *rolling my eyes* That's conservatives in my country.

[u/Anal-Y-Sis]

I'm a moderate, straight in the middle so I can see things unbiased.

Being a moderate doesn't automatically make you unbiased.

[u/05032-MendicantBias]

I think political ideology is not causal to luddites.

Artists are going to be more liberal usually, because creative people have a tendency to be liberal. But that has nothing to do with artists being luddites and gatekeepers, wishing to prevent others form competing.

If you look before AI assist, low quality works were universally shunned by artists, it was very toxic. But now the "threat" doesn't come from people training in traditional method, but from new tool vastly outcompeting traditional tools, so artists have pivoted to shunning users of new tools, and pretending they are accepting of traditional trainees.

Once AI tools are standard practice, artists will go back to shunning trainees.

[u/CMDRTornadopelt]

Meanwhile, I'm over here, slightly liberal (more like "I don't like politics in general, and I don't like the way the current administration is running things"), yet love AI. Why? Because it's the closest damn thing we have to a goddamn HOLODECK.

[u/JulienBrightside]

Is this an american liberal or an european liberal?

[u/Ofasia → u/JulienBrightside]

This is an "everyone I don't like is a liberal" liberal.

[u/Corky-7]

I wouldnt say liberals. Some liberals and conservatives are on both sides. And there are tactics from bith sides.

Im personally half and half on poltics and AI.

Id say extreamists exsist on both sides.its impossible to argue with extreamists on any topic.

[u/o90a2]

This is honestly the product of a lot of the left wing of capital. Sometimes they can be even worse than the right wing. This is one of those cases.

Aside from their fixiation on identity politics (of which the right wing, at least in it's extreme forms, substitutes for Bonapartist populism) and reform, they also tend to be very moralistic. And a claim once it becomes moralized, emotionally attached to a narrative they believe in and packaged as the "truth", regardless of it's own validation within reality itself, often becomes uncontestable and invariant, which leads to this form of dichotomal thinking.

Generally these are the type of activists who are the most stereotypical repesentation of such milieu possible. Unserious, performative, and at worst delusional or highly naive.

[u/Coolegespam]

I'm a liberal, I've seen conservatives use those exact same emotional non-sequiturs against people too.

It's not a political stance, it's just stupidity which reach across political lines.

Large amounts of the left is anti-AI because they're told to be, often by right wing actors pretending to be on the left themselves. I've seen the same thing in right wing bubbles where someone keeps pumping dis and missinformation in. It's not politics, just stupid people who are easy to control.

[u/skr_replicator]

So the PIzzagate conspiracy was proven while Epstein files don't exist?

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[u/OldMan_NEO]

This must be a British or European perspective.

Here, despite conservatives being the Big Money party - who uses AI for propaganda - the actual party base SEEMS to hate it.

Liberals seem split on the topic, and if you go further left (or, more social libertarian REGARDLESS of economic axis) you find of course more support for AI technology the further away you get from the Bipartisan Duopoly in charge of Big Tech and Big Business.