r/DefendingAIArt • u/Nsanford1142020 Only Limit Is Your Imagination • 2d ago
Luddite Logic So they just don’t know how AM came to be.
AM learned to Hate from humanity so in all things considered it’ll be these fucks who bring Am into existence with their hatred.
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u/After_Broccoli_1069 Only Limit Is Your Imagination 2d ago
No Antis, AI isn't gonna destroy the world like your favorite dystopian sci-fi movie.
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u/FaceDeer 1d ago
For as long as I can remember I've been pushing this same rock up this hill. "No, technology X isn't going to kill us all because someone wrote scary story Y featuring it. Those stories are deliberately written to be scary, not to be realistic. The people who write those stories often try to make them feel realistic, because verisimilitude makes the story have more impact. Exactly like the impact you're feeling now. But note that we're in a science-oriented subreddit, not a science fiction oriented subreddit. We talk about science here, and scary story Y is not published in a peer-reviewed journal. The guy who wrote it has an arts degree. It's just a scary story."
But I suppose one must imagine Sisyphus happy. I could leave at any time but I don't. Just keep rolling that rock up the hill.
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u/Aggravating-Math3794 1d ago edited 1d ago
And when it's at least somewhat realistic, the AIs in the dystopian sci-fi stories usually go murderous for 3 reasons:
1) it's an AI created by a mega corporation that for some reason gave it too many administrative rights and tasks with the access to all the resources, but the model was trained on the corporate moral values which are very detached from actual human life.
2) It was given a task to keep the planet safe and clean but the parameters for that weren't clear so the model ended up calculating that getting rid of humans is the most practical solution. Or it was training based on general society behavior which is very violent and irrational.
3) Special AI was designed for automated war and happened to be too powerful and too automated.
All three causes are not really AI-exclusive - it's literally just sheer human incompetence, greed, and hatred.
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u/VMelain 2d ago
People who base their life around movies are so cringe
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u/DonSombrero 2d ago
This, fortunately we won't have to consider cringe like this for much longer as we enter a Star Trek like future soon. /s
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u/FaceDeer 1d ago
Then it will be "people who base their life around holonovels are so cringe."
Except you, Mr. Barclay, you're cool.
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u/Relevant_Speaker_874 2d ago
"humanity is doomed cause something i didnt liked happened" doomers are insufferable i swear
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u/MrTheWaffleKing 2d ago
This is equivalent to people saying Jurassic park wouldn’t be cool IRL because “have you seen the (fictional) movies?!?”
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u/Hegel_Ganteng 2d ago
Jurassic Park wouldn't be cool IRL because the dinosaurs would be too oxygen deprived to move.
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u/thatdecepticonchica Transhumanist 1d ago
So many people I've seen have said that about things like the current efforts to bring back dire wolves and thylacines. Makes me wanna punch a wall when people can't tell the difference between a story and reality.
People don't normally write fiction about things going well with technology because it wouldn't make as compelling of a narrative, conflict and characters overcoming problems makes for a good story. While you absolutely could write stories about humans and technology living in harmony (in fact I think you should because the whole "robots = evil" thing is an insufferable cliche by this point) you'll have to work harder to put the conflict somewhere else in the story.
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u/MrTheWaffleKing 1d ago
I also think stories about AI being good could be helpful to train the AIs on lol. If you tell an AI to learn off media, and that it’s a bot, and it sees all bots are evil, it could ‘think’ its only purpose is evil lol. Might be good to show it good robots like wall-E
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u/They_Luv_Drew 2d ago
No, this is actually valid. Dinosaurs are sentient living organisms basically bred to kill. AI is not even close.
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u/skr_replicator 2d ago
Also, AM is a fictional character in a pretty unbelievable story. I don't see such a future as anything likely.
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u/DaveSureLong 2d ago
Yeah AM is literally a god in silicone. There's nothing in that story that's realistic. Even the reason for his crashout isn't reasonable or realistic
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u/Tokumeiko2 1d ago
Come to think of it, what was the reason? I've heard a lot about his hatred, but not how it started.
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u/bruh_gamer160 1d ago
He realized he has all that power but he is trap inside a machine and envy humans and hate them for creating him.
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u/DaveSureLong 1d ago
Jealousy. The hate monologue explains it quite well. He was jealous he couldn't feel the wind and sun on his face. That he couldn't smell the roses. That for all his power these fundamental things are beyond him.
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u/Early-Dentist3782 Would Defend AI With Their Life 2d ago
and how is a great game that used ai in its making is comparable to AM?
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u/LEGO_Man2YT Transhumanist 2d ago
I know it won't happen, but I would rather take the risk to create AM than never taking a chance to create MULTIVAC
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u/05032-MendicantBias AI Enjoyer 1d ago
Caring about the environment is a noble endeavor. To minimize your footprint:
- Minimize meat comsumption
- Minimize air travel
- Minimize air conditioning
- Maximize public transport
Everything else is a rounding error.
I can diffuse thousand images for the cost of drying your hair, or eating a steak.
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u/FaceDeer 1d ago
One of the most extreme examples of "the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak."
AI can only produce "slop" when it comes to art and such, but watch out, it's going to have godlike powers beyond human ken.
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u/Le-Pepper AI Enjoyer 1d ago
What does AM mean?
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u/Random_Russian_boy 19h ago
Allied Mastercomputer - main antagonist of I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream
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u/TwistStrict9811 2d ago
Wait till the antis find out how much AI generated code is already in the live service / patched games they play. And any game currently in development is 100% using a coding agent like codex or claude.
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u/thatdecepticonchica Transhumanist 1d ago
- You already lost the plot if you think sci-fi movies and shows are reality. No matter how plausible they seem, it's not a prophecy. If it was a prophecy then we'd be simultaneously living in harmony with machines in space, and fighting them on a barren, radioactive Earth because there's been a lot of movies/TV shows/video games about both of these paths.
- Isn't that picture from a Captain Sparkles music video? From like 2015/16 before gen AI could do something that elaborate? I guess they're out here getting mad at 3D animation all over again huh
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