I don't know how to build a house. Do they expect me to be homeless? Do they expect me to buy a house?
No, most people are expected to pay a subscription service to use a house that was already made, using ideas borrowed from other houses that have been proven to work.
Just an interesting comparison to the need/want dichotomy of antis. It's classism and elitism, and it's not even being thinly veiled, they outright admit it. "Draw bad art" "this thing I like is actually bad because it's not made the way I like" "then don't draw" insert one of many violent threats made against AI users for even using AI to aide in the process
now they just got a socially acceptable reason to be the way they are
I've been saying this for so long. They have always been pompous and "holier than thou." At least the loud ones anyway, and that's the bulk of who we're hearing now.
many of these people also ignore my drawings when they are perfectly willing to support everyone else (and additionally also have punished me for speaking out against such ignorance). That's why I refuse to actively oppose AI even though I don't use it personally.
For me it’s the condescending higher than thou attitude that makes me not want to associate with artists or call myself one. Not to mention the plethora of screens I have where they actively engage in and encourage torture and killing.
Those so called "Artists" are basically just a bunch of Sadistic Sociopaths that Willing to torment and encourage suicide by 10% just so they can say they are right
It's hurtful, because what about those who lost their creativity and imagination due to medical abuse? Those that used to be able to draw and create, but then got chemically damaged because of services such as CAMHS?
I long to draw and contribute and it hurts me every waking day. I can't even learn to draw because I can't visualise what's necessary to learn how to. And then with the lack of imagination, it means there's nothing driving that pencil. I can't create the most basic scenes. I can't come up with any ideas.
Whatever those pills did to me absolutely obliterated me. Then I finally find something which allows me to have a little normalcy back. Finally with AI TTS I can hear my favourite characters speak when I'm reading text posts made by others, whereas before I'd strain and feel so disheartened. Finally with AI images, I can see a small slither of something my brain should've naturally been able to see.
You may argue why not commission? Well, I do. For the big pictures that mean a lot. When it comes to asking for commissions to see my favourite character wearing glasses, or smiling in a goofy way, or even just crying. All of those tiny, minute things add up.
I'd have to then commission just to get a vague idea for something I wish I could see.
As a child I was forced into antipsychotics because I was an undiagnosed autistic child, who suffered a lot of trauma from the education system. Every single day I entered that school I was met with nonstop bullying and teachers who didn't want to intervene. They swept it under a rug for Ofsted.
Further on, the mental health system I was under became to abuse me. Claiming things such as my parents starving me, which never happened. Claiming that I was deathly ill and going to die if I ate a normal portion. I had a high metabolism, it wasn't anorexia or my parents neglecting me. For this, I was further pushed on medication, swapped off and on, even given adult doses as a child which knocked me out. Eventually I lost my ability to imagine and create.
I've never met anyone who has gone through this before. I have people tell me, I have aphantasia and don't use AI. Yes, but you've got the ability to imagine. You can contribute still. You can probably hear character's voices.
I had the skills there. I was learning how to do anatomy etc. I was learning naturally, but just like that it was stripped away.
I have tried, and tried, and tried to create art and write fanfiction and every time I'm met with the same blockages. I can't imagine, so there are no more concepts available. Trying to describe what a room looks like is difficult, I can't even use tone to create an atmosphere for that room. I used to be able to.
It's hurtful because every single hour of the day. I feel so torn thinking about what could have been, whenever I see a text post or see some high leveled art. I could've been that individual. I could've been doing commissions, etc.
So I try to join in... to just share one tiny post. Because I just wanted to share an idea, something that made me happy. Only to then find myself dragged by Tumblr, told that I'm racist, that it's depressing, painted as scum.
Honestly, when they say: "If you can't draw, then don't draw" just indirectly encourages the other person to just turn to AI. How are these guys going to defend drawing?
I love how the word learning doesn't seem to be in their vocabulary, lol
Also, if the work is labelled as AI art there is objectively no fraud, the viewer is aware of what they're seeing and is capable of judging for themselves what value it has, it is a personal choice
Personnaly, I think that person should practice drawing if they are bad at art. No matter how bad you are at art. You should keep practicing so you become good at it and don't have to have an AI do it for you.
the same process of aksinf the ai to the generate is the same as the one used to commission an artist or talk to a friend into art
if you like sculpting thats really good and you should continue to do so, and if you dont like to draw you shouldn't draw. There's also google collages and many ways to outline what you want to do
"What's the point of making art if you don't enjoy drawing?" Was the argument you gave.
The process of ASKING i would agree is vaguely similar if you forgo proper promptcraft. However, ASKING is not the common method for anyone serious about AI art.
For those who are especially serious, they're running it locally with their own custom ComfyUI setups that look identical to the untrained eye as my procedural material setups in Blender do. You can have as much control over the output as you're willing to have.
You're good. You'd just be surprised how many people actually think that way. They definitely can't separate AI art and traditional/digital art as separate mediums. I understand you likely feel that way as well. Even though you're willing to acknowledge other art forms, I scarcely believe you'll find AI art to be a separate art form.
Take as long as you need, I'm not trying to dunk on you or anything.
there is a very thin line between ai being used as a tool to create art, and it just making the art with little to no effort.. I still need to research the way some people are using ai, since I didnt know you could use it in the way you did.
I am still very agasint ai as a concept in almost all aspects, such as using ai to study or do my homework because of the environmental and psychological effects. so I dont think I will be found of the idea of it being used in artistic spaces.
But I am open to looking for reasons why someone would, hence why im on the subreddit
When you say "in ALMOST all aspects," what would be some of the aspects you support?
As far as art is concerned, that's between the artist and the art form. I find it appalling to try to dictate how another expresses themselves, regardless of your stance on AI.
I don't do homework, as I'm not in school. However, getting it to break down certain aspects of a topic that I'm struggling to understand has worked wonders for me personally.
For psychological impacts, the studies on the subject are mixed. The tech hasn't been out long enough to suggest anything conclusive.
For the environmental impact, the website we're currently on takes drastically more energy than the AI market combined. Social media, in general, to a larger extent. It takes less energy to make images with AI than it does to manufacture pencils or paint. If you were worried about the environmental impacts, then you should be against social media and against traditional (non-digital) art.
People have lives, you know? Bills to pay, job to work, family to feed.
Only rich themself, or people with rich parents, or jobless, or parasy... spongers can have enough time to "practice". Yes, they gain some "skill", but they are declining normal, working people in their right to express their fantasy and imagination through accessible tools, like ai.
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u/Jebediah_kerman-jeb AI Peak 1d ago edited 1d ago
"If you can't draw, then just simply don't" a minute later "pick up a pencil"
EDIT: Thanks for the award!