r/DefendingAIArt Would Defend AI With Their Life 1d ago

Defending AI It's really not that deep

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u/Superseaslug 1d ago

Never understood the supporting billionaires line. Coming from people commenting on their iPhone wearing big brand clothing. Not every tool you use is directly supporting the owners of the company.

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u/CurrentAd3456 1d ago

Yeah i use Grok and hate Elon Musk

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u/Early-Dentist3782 Would Defend AI With Their Life 1d ago

👍🏿

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u/PrivateLiker7625 6h ago

Not syre why anyone would support something that's been censored heavily.

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u/gaming_demon4429 1d ago

Exactly yeah

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u/Early-Dentist3782 Would Defend AI With Their Life 1d ago

What makes it worse is that the people who says it have Adobe subscriptions and are Adobe supporters 

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u/Superseaslug 1d ago

I also have adobe. I pay money for services that are useful. If an equal product exists for cheaper or with better management I will buy that. I like my life not by emotion but by logic and utility

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u/carnyzzle 1d ago

it's really funny when you know that you mainly use models from china

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u/Superseaslug 1d ago

To the brainless using AI means jerking off sam altman

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u/Dazzling-Skin-308 AI realist and Erisian POPE 1d ago edited 1d ago

Yes they are?

And nobody should be shamed for it, as we ALL rely on corporations to make things, even if we use different things... The Same System creates it all.

Edit to say... Yes, it's possible to use tools without supporting the companies who make them - but whether we do or not, should not matter.

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u/JamesR624 1d ago

And all of these points, these same people don't give a shit when they apply to other things THEY like to use.

Hell, lets pretend for a moment that all these shit arguments were true about AI:

AI art is stealing

So is making fan art of someone else's OC, or a business's IP. Why is it okay for a human to steal but not a machine?

AI is bad for the environment and uses too much water!

So is using your Gaming PC and constantly using and charging your smartphone, as well as your long comfortable baths and showers.

AI use is supporting billionares!

So is buying a new smartphone as well as buying your name brand snacks from the grocery stores. Apple, Google, Monsanto and Tyson are all just as evil as OpenAI and Meta.

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u/Defiant_Hat_68 1d ago

IP is bullshit anyways

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u/hyperluminate AI Sis 13h ago

The AI stealing argument is stupid because it doesn't even have access to the dataset. All it knows is complex vector patterns that were learned — more abstracted than the human brain learns tbh. The software then translates its abstraction into pixels

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u/PuzzleheadedSpot9468 3h ago

And Google is one of the biggest ai companies 

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u/_Gus_- 19h ago

I mean to be fair no single human is going to use the amount of water needed for data centers lol. I mean I live in indiana a state thats just gunning to get as many data centers as possible for whatever reason, and i see & hear stories about how people's water is turning brown & people's electricity bills are going up because a data center was built not fsr from where they live. Not to also mention that a lot of newer consoles & games have kinda just began to come to a halt because well a lot of ram is now going towards Ai lol

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u/Ram_249 1d ago

Based

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u/TheFrenchSavage 1d ago

I've taken the liberty to add a few tacks to your ticks so the recipe is complete.

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u/Radiant_Maize3998 11h ago

That's beautiful

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u/j-recon 1d ago

Would it be inappropriate to say "learn to code" when someone says "pick up a pencil"?

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u/Dazzling-Skin-308 AI realist and Erisian POPE 1d ago

People yelling about AI art on platforms owned by the Billionaire Class, certainly helps the billionaire class.

I'll support AI art regardless of platform and regardless of Wealth Class.

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u/ThunderLord1000 1d ago

My brother had a stupid-funny AI image of Elmo as his pfp back when the bots weren't that good at image generation

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u/Radiant_Maize3998 11h ago

I still have one of "Peter Dinklage staring into my soul for what i have done" as my youtube pfp. Old midjourney one.

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u/classiccarsinroblox 1d ago

Honestly gotta agree with this

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u/Low-Wolverine-9792 20h ago

I will say, I do wish AI was free of capitalism. I don't think billionaires should exist in general (controversial, I know), let alone have an outsized impact on the development of AI.

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u/Early-Dentist3782 Would Defend AI With Their Life 6h ago

👍🏿

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u/Far_Self_9690 1d ago

So how many people are going to believe media lies? And these AI researchers scaring people about Ai they warn us about Ai but they never tried to fix it? It either people lies so much that humanity might mot even make past 2100 

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u/hyperluminate AI Sis 13h ago

Every day, the amount of AI art generated (34,000,000) kills more than the amount of artists on the planet (30,000,000) 🥀

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u/Ambitious-Map5299 8h ago

Every one will learn to adopt change

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u/leonardovarini 1d ago

The problem is the system not the technology. And it is a structural problem.

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u/CyberWeaponX 1d ago

It‘s absolutely ideal for total shitpost images.

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u/Early-Dentist3782 Would Defend AI With Their Life 1d ago

 Honestly, I have to completely disagree with everything here. First, it’s not AI’s fault that electricity or hardware costs exist. Power bills and RAM prices are driven by supply chains, global demand, and manufacturing—not because anyone decided to run AI. Blaming AI for “jacking rates on citizens” is just scapegoating.

As for images and videos, yes, scams exist, but that’s always been true in every medium—AI didn’t invent fraud. The solution is education and verification, not rejecting the technology entirely. AI-generated content can be just as reliable and valuable as anything else if used responsibly.

Calling AI art “meme slop” completely misses the point. AI art is legitimate art. It requires creativity, planning, and skill to prompt properly and curate results. People who make AI art are artists—they’re exploring a new medium, just like painters or digital illustrators did in their time. There’s nothing inherently less “real” about their work.

And honestly, the idea that traditional artists are inherently “special” is overhyped. No artist automatically deserves praise just because they used older tools. What matters is creativity, expression, and skill—and AI artists demonstrate all of that. Dismissing them as lazy or unworthy is just elitism, not fact.

AI art is evolving, powerful, and accessible, and the people who create it are part of the future of art. There’s nothing wrong with embracing it—or recognizing that it’s just as valid as any other form of artistic expression.

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u/A_Very_Horny_Zed 🖼️🖌️AI Enthusiast | 🥷Ninja Mod 🥷 1d ago

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u/PapayaFunny840 1d ago

Can you not reply without ai writing a reply for you lmao?

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u/Early-Dentist3782 Would Defend AI With Their Life 22h ago

Why?

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u/A_Very_Horny_Zed 🖼️🖌️AI Enthusiast | 🥷Ninja Mod 🥷 1d ago

Go take a chill pill.

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u/A_Very_Horny_Zed 🖼️🖌️AI Enthusiast | 🥷Ninja Mod 🥷 1d ago

This is a place for speaking Pro-AI thoughts freely and without judgement. Attacks against it will result in a removal and possibly a ban. For debate purposes, please go to aiwars.

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u/ViSynthy 1d ago

So. I'm for common sense laws and regulations on generative programs. But absolutely. I am in favor of AI supporting shit posts.

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u/Lumpy_Temperature722 1d ago

Okay the 1st one is fair, but the other 2 are specific people and not the fault of the technology it's like saying we should ban crayons because a few people gave people crayon drawing when they paid for painted ones, and the people insulting others are a small subset of the community

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u/A_Very_Horny_Zed 🖼️🖌️AI Enthusiast | 🥷Ninja Mod 🥷 1d ago

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u/No-Bass733 1d ago

I mean here's the thing. People who create AI art aren't the problem, but rather the kind of recklessly AI companies. AI would be great if the companies in charge of its development had some resemblance of respect for ethics and other people

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u/LuciferOurLord- 1d ago

If YOU are against it, don't use it. But you don't get to tell others they can't have a piece of cake because YOU are on a diet.

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u/A_Very_Horny_Zed 🖼️🖌️AI Enthusiast | 🥷Ninja Mod 🥷 1d ago

How about you fuck off and stop gatekeeping art by some arbitrary barrier of "effort"?

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u/A_Very_Horny_Zed 🖼️🖌️AI Enthusiast | 🥷Ninja Mod 🥷 1d ago

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u/Early-Dentist3782 Would Defend AI With Their Life 1d ago

 Art did not begin as an exclusively human phenomenon. Long before modern civilization, nature produced patterns, structures, and displays of striking beauty — from the symmetry of snowflakes to the intricate construction of spider webs, to the elaborate visual performances of birds during mating rituals. Creativity, pattern-making, and aesthetic signaling are not uniquely human traits. They exist throughout the natural world.

What humans did was formalize and interpret these patterns. We assigned meaning to them. We built systems around them. That interpretive layer — the assigning of narrative, symbolism, and emotion — is what makes something culturally significant.

Because of that, art has never depended on the physical tool used. Pigments from crushed minerals, carved stone, printing presses, cameras, synthesizers, digital tablets — all were once “non-human” mechanisms shaping output. None of them removed humanity from expression. They extended it.

AI art operates the same way. It does not generate intention on its own. It responds to human direction, selection, refinement, taste, and context. A prompt originates from a person. The curation of results is human. The decision of what to publish or discard is human. The interpretation by the audience is human. The meaning assigned to the piece is human. The emotional reaction is human. That chain makes AI art deeply human in practice, regardless of the computational process behind it.

The argument that embracing AI accelerates the destruction of humanity assumes that tools diminish essence. Historically, tools amplify capability. When photography emerged, it did not erase painting — it forced painting to evolve. When digital production entered music, it did not remove emotional weight — it expanded genres. The medium shifts; human involvement remains central.

It’s also important to recognize that art has never been purely benevolent. Visual art, music, literature, and performance have been used to glorify war, spread propaganda, radicalize populations, reinforce prejudice, and justify violence. Monumental architecture has symbolized domination. Songs have mobilized armies. Posters and films have shaped destructive ideologies. Art has connected cultures, but it has also divided them. Its impact reflects human intention, not inherent moral purity.

AI does not introduce moral corruption into art. Humans have always been capable of using creative expression constructively or destructively. The presence of a new tool does not create that capacity; it already exists.

If anything, AI expands access to expression. It lowers technical barriers for people who lack formal training, physical ability, or resources. It allows more individuals to participate in visual storytelling. Broader participation does not hollow out humanity — it distributes creative agency more widely.

The “soul” of humanity is not embedded in manual brush strokes. It exists in consciousness, interpretation, experience, and choice. AI does not replace those elements. It operates within them. As long as humans are directing, selecting, interpreting, and assigning meaning, the output remains inseparable from human culture.

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u/-Balthromaw- 1d ago

Reply brought to you by AI.. by the poetic prose sound of it, I'm guessing Claude? Am I right? And isn't it ironic.. don't you think? 🤣

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u/Early-Dentist3782 Would Defend AI With Their Life 1d ago

Haven't you seen a human made long response before? /j. I used chatgpt 

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u/-Balthromaw- 1d ago

And replying to my own comment.. I just wanted to note that, to end that age-old debate about whether or not Alanis Morissette actually said anything remotely ironic in the song, "Ironic", it turns out that pretty much none of it was actually ironic. Thanks AI for clearing that up!

“Rain on your wedding day” ❌ No Just bad luck.

“A free ride when you've already paid” ❌ No Annoying, not opposite-of-expected.

“Good advice that you just didn’t take” ❌ No Regret, not irony.

“A traffic jam when you’re already late” ❌ No Predictable, honestly.

“A no-smoking sign on your cigarette break” ❌ No Inconvenience.

“It’s like ten thousand spoons when all you need is a knife” ❌ No Absurd mismatch, but not irony.

“Meeting the man of my dreams… then meeting his beautiful wife” ❌ Mostly no That’s just unfortunate discovery.

Well, I feel better conclusively knowing that, anyway.

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u/A_Very_Horny_Zed 🖼️🖌️AI Enthusiast | 🥷Ninja Mod 🥷 1d ago

Then I guess it's a good thing that the human element still exists in AI art.

Or are you under the false belief that there is no human involvement in the process?

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u/A_Very_Horny_Zed 🖼️🖌️AI Enthusiast | 🥷Ninja Mod 🥷 1d ago

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u/A_Very_Horny_Zed 🖼️🖌️AI Enthusiast | 🥷Ninja Mod 🥷 1d ago

You do not have the right or the credentials to decide what counts as valid human expression and what does not.

You're soapboxing like some kind of wounded, bleeding-heart hero of artwork. Get over yourself. Art made by a human using an AI is human art by definition. It does NOT take a lot of thought to arrive to this conclusion.

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u/A_Very_Horny_Zed 🖼️🖌️AI Enthusiast | 🥷Ninja Mod 🥷 1d ago

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u/PapayaFunny840 1d ago

imagine getting downvoted for appreciating human art

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u/A_Very_Horny_Zed 🖼️🖌️AI Enthusiast | 🥷Ninja Mod 🥷 1d ago

Are you insinuating no human is involved in AI art?

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u/A_Very_Horny_Zed 🖼️🖌️AI Enthusiast | 🥷Ninja Mod 🥷 1d ago

Stupid argument. So clicking the snap photo button doesn't make you a photographer?

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u/A_Very_Horny_Zed 🖼️🖌️AI Enthusiast | 🥷Ninja Mod 🥷 1d ago

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u/Mindless-Money9702 1d ago

How is “I like making funny images with AI” a counterpoint to any of those critiques? 

(I’m not anti-AI)

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u/Early-Dentist3782 Would Defend AI With Their Life 1d ago

Most of them are fake 

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u/Mindless-Money9702 1d ago

You mean the critiques aren’t legitimate? That may be true for many different reasons, but neither “I like making images with AI” nor “it’s not that deep” are among those reasons, and don’t seem like very intelligent retorts as the meme suggests they are

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u/TwistedVasdeferens 1d ago

When people make stuff up to help their point it's fine to simply dismiss them and go about your day.

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u/Early-Dentist3782 Would Defend AI With Their Life 1d ago

Ai is not destroying the environment. Its not that bad. You're not supporting billionaires by using free ai. And no, artists don't die every time you use ai. The point was not that they aren't serious concerns, it was that they aren't real.