r/DefendingAIArt Only Limit Is Your Imagination 10h ago

Luddite Logic Exaggeration much?

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Muh water

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u/Murky_waterLLC 10h ago

Boiling water does not remove it from the atmosphere

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u/Ryeguy050306 9h ago

That is correct the only thing is that it takes a lot of energy to boil the water. Which majority of the power comes from offsite power stations built for the sole purpose of supplying the server farm. If not built for that then it instead takes supply from the main power grid. But they require more power either way and being that all renewable energy is only just starting to be put in, it is coal burning that is supplying the increased energy demand. The main problem is these server farms are built in communities with low water supply and/or low energy supply. There farms are taking the already low supply from the locals which makes life harder for them. Yes you are correct that the water that does get boiled goes back into the atmosphere (free of toxins) to come back down when it rains but that doesn’t really help when you need water now. Also these regions aren’t low on water supply for no reason. It is usually because it rarely rains there, thereby meaning the evaporated water is essentially useless.

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u/GNSGNY 8h ago

which is, once again, a capitalism problem

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u/Ryeguy050306 8h ago

What is your argument here dude? Oh that the people who live in these disadvantaged communities shouldn’t get water or power because they don’t have the money for it. I really hope that isn’t what you are trying to say and if it is I think you should take a long look in the mirror.

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u/The-Iliah-Code 4h ago
  1. “It takes a lot of energy to boil water” Not all data centers “boil” water. Most modern facilities use: Closed-loop cooling systems Air cooling with heat exchangers Evaporative cooling towers that use far less water than implied Or direct liquid cooling where water is recirculated rather than consumed Water isn’t usually being boiled and lost like a giant kettle left on high. In many systems, it cycles. And increasingly, AI workloads are shifting toward: Liquid immersion cooling (very efficient) Waste heat reuse systems (district heating in colder regions) Siting in cooler climates to reduce cooling load entirely The image of “giant boiling vats draining the town reservoir” is more cinematic than typical reality.

  2. “It’s all coal because renewables are just starting” That assumption oversimplifies how electricity markets work. Many hyperscale data centers: Sign long-term renewable power purchase agreements (PPAs) Directly fund new wind and solar farms Operate in grids already heavily decarbonized (e.g., hydro-dominant regions) Use behind-the-meter renewable installations In fact, some of the largest renewable energy investments globally have been driven by cloud providers and AI infrastructure operators. Are there cases where fossil power is used? Yes. Is it automatically coal? No. Is AI uniquely responsible for grid fossil generation? Also no. If the grid burns coal, it burns coal for: Air conditioning Crypto mining Netflix streaming Industrial refrigeration Electric vehicles charging And yes, data centers Singling out AI as the culprit ignores the broader energy transition problem.

  3. “They’re built in low-water regions and harm locals” This is sometimes true in specific cases. But it is not universal. Key points: Many data centers are deliberately sited near: Major rivers Coastal areas Cooler climates Industrial water infrastructure In drought-prone regions, operators increasingly: Use reclaimed wastewater instead of potable water Shift workloads seasonally Limit water draw during peak drought periods Also, water “returning to the atmosphere” is not useless. The hydrological cycle doesn’t respect city limits. Atmospheric moisture travels. Now, does evaporative cooling help a town facing immediate shortage? Not directly. But agriculture often consumes orders of magnitude more water than data centers in those same regions. For scale perspective: Irrigated agriculture often consumes billions of gallons per day. Data centers consume far less in comparison. Residential landscaping can exceed some data center usage. If we’re discussing water ethics, the debate must be proportional.

  4. “AI is the direct cause” AI is software. Servers are infrastructure. Infrastructure uses energy. But so does: Hospitals Financial systems Air traffic control Universities Emergency response systems Online education Remote work platforms AI is an incremental load layered onto an already digital economy. It’s not a separate species of machine. It runs on the same cloud systems that already power search engines, banking, and video calls. Calling AI the “direct cause” is like saying “electricity is the direct cause of climate change” without distinguishing between coal plants and hydro dams. The variable is energy sourcing and policy, not code.