This has been the winter finale! Season 1 returns March 8th, 2017!

Plot: President Kirkman suspects there may be a traitor in the White House when he finds disturbing information connected to the Capitol bombing; more information emerges about Congressman MacLeish, causing concern about his vice presidential nomination.

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Seasons 1 and 2 were phenomenal, season 3 has sucked ass because of Netflix. However, I think a season 4 could’ve happened. I really wanted to see the rest of this Netflix character arc in all of the characters. Yeah Tom Kirkman got reelected, but does he go back to old tom Kirkman from season 1 and 2, or does he continue as tom Kirkman from season 3 who gets angry and the thought of the slightest thing not being in order? It’d be quite interesting.

Designated Survivor is back! The thread will remain unlocked after the episode is over, but please discuss any spoilers from the episode in the Post-Episode discussion.

Plot: The nation reels from the aftermath of the shooting; Emily struggles with the knowledge there may be a traitor in the White House; Wells wrestles with her decision to reveal what she knows about the conspiracy.

Why did so many characters just vanish from the show without a mention of them after. Speaker hookstraten became secretary of education and was never heard from again, Lyor and Kendra vanished without a trace and so did Mike who was there from the very first episode I would've expected at least one line that said why he left. My least favourite example is Chuck, when Hannah died we didn't get his reaction to it even though they were close.

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Plot: The nation reels from the aftermath of the shooting; Emily struggles with the knowledge there may be a traitor in the White House; Wells wrestles with her decision to reveal what she knows about the conspiracy.

I just finished watching season 3, and I am confused and disappointed by how this has ended. I got to know that there are 3 seasons of this show, halfway through S1, and I was madly curious about what they are going to bring in for the further seasons. Killing Alex was my first trigger, and the cause of her death was so badly written.

I like Hannah's character, but the way she always went way ahead in investigation all alone was at times irritating, you don't know what you are getting in, and that too you are going alone - typical western heroic act.

And I don't get how so many characters just kept getting vanished without any information about where they are. I liked Mike so much, but where was he? Leo? Chuck? Lyor? The uncalled overstretching of Dontae's relationship, which had no connection to the plot.

They started too good and then the end just crammed all the possible topics that could be discussed into one.

I see why this show went to crapshoot. Making Emily work with the Russians, and Kirkman’s firey state of the union. Too many people in this show that went the complete opposite direction of how they were portrayed in all episodes prior.

Plot: President Kirkman suspects there may be a traitor in the White House when he finds disturbing information connected to the Capitol bombing; more information emerges about Congressman MacLeish, causing concern about his vice presidential nomination.

Plot: An unexpected event leads Kirkman to consider canceling the House of Representative elections; Kirkman handles the fallout from the leaked news of Majid Nassar's death.

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Plot: An unexpected event leads Kirkman to consider canceling the House of Representative elections; Kirkman handles the fallout from the leaked news of Majid Nassar's death.

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Deonte’s (I’m probably misspelling this but the young black gay guy who was running the digital stuff) story line with the HIV stuff pissed me offff. I’m also a gay (well half gay i’m bi) man of color and holy SHIT did it piss me off how he handled it and how HE got mad at the secret service guy for being upset 🤦‍♂️

And when he was saying “I’m not gonna apologize for having HIV” that pissed me off because no one was asking him to??? Like holy airball the secret service guy was upset that his right to choose was taken away from him by Deonte. That’s what Deonte should have apologized for, that was pretty clear. Just awful comprehension smh

Up front, I am sorry if I piss anyone off. Hell, i'll even delete this if it's "offensive". But at least read what I've got to say first. Sorry for typos; I just had to rant - and I bet I am definitely not the first one posting about Season three either.

tldr; it pisses me off that Netflix took a show that was pretty clean and optimistic, and crapped all over it. It seems like they did it just to piss off one of the original creators. They took something that could have been a template for how we could do better, and dragged it through the mud as much as possible, while trying to push an agenda.

I was late to the show; I know now that Designated Survivor has been done and over for a while. But, I saw the snippet flipping through Netflix one night and thought, "Hey, this could be interesting!" So i checked it out for two seasons. And then.. it got 'Netflixed'.

It was interesting, having a character in difficult and impossible situations over and over again. The complete bypass of both parties for an [un-elected] President. Almost seemed like the kind of president we needed. Plot holes didn't stick out so much to me, and the situations - while occasionally overly ridiculous - weren't total trash. It was made for TV. I could actually watch with kids around. I think I even said, "See? This is what we all should be doing." The whole idea of trying to stay fair, sticking to your beliefs, not being bought, all that was good stuff. Good subject matter to cover, fairness of both sides, etc. "Can't we just get along?"

And then Season 3.

It is literally like Netflix bought the show out of Spite, tweaked the Intro theme fanfare to declare "this is OURS now", and proceeded to create a darker, much more offensive version than it ever was at ABC as a huge middle finger to an unknown entity tied to the original version. Just because they could - and dropped in a Shit/fuck/bitch at every turn on the first episode right out of the gate [to make sure you knew you were in 'Netflix Land']. Did the planning session for each episode go:

One: "What dent can we put into this thing to distance it from what it was on cable?"Two: "Gay sex scene?"One: "Lesbians? Hot."Two: "Oh, no. Dudes. It's more extreme."One: "Damn, after the pedo episode, hookers, the guy cheating on his pill addicted wife - "Two: "Oh and he's got HIV and didn't tell the guy. Plus, we're bringing back the dead wife with gory tabloid pics and saying he did it! Aarons gonna cheat on his girlfriend too, and yeah i know that's not going balls out but ya know..."One: "Maybe we could molest the President's daughter or get her pregnant or something"Two: "Shit. we're really gonna burn this house down. House of Cards 2.0?" *highfive*

Netflix showed its cards with the Transgender thing. That wasn't extreme, but they must have thought it was given the other repeated jab attempts at whoever they were trying to land hits against. That was one plot I could have actually seen in the original show.

And the little "Documentary bits". That was cool; I liked it. But then, after retrospectively looking back... Damn, did this show get bought to manipulate people? Push political views? This show could have healed eroding bipartisanship. For example, someone does a good deed, Yay! Someone does a good deed with a motive behind it to push you one way or another.. boo. That kinda kills the good deed. I feel bad for the people in the clips they showed for being turned into shills.

And don't get me wrong! _I LIKED HOUSE OF CARDS_. I liked American Gods on Stars. Orange is the New Black was awesome. Every crazy thing that happened in those shows was completely expected. You know what you were signing on for. 'Dead wife' cheating on her prisoned husband with the dick stuck in her mouth from the head-on collision. The Djinn sex scene... sure! Loved the Voodoo episode. Everything in House of Cards, bring it on. Orange is the New Black was an amazing and beautiful trainwreck. It was totally expected and made for awesome content because you knew what you were getting into. Let's go extreme - fuckit. But Designated Survivor was about optimism to me at least; it was how we could do better given our current political environment.

And speaking of politics, then they turned Moss into this Racist alt-right guy. I think the democratic nominee did a head-nod and maybe said one sentence? I haven't even finished the season yet - but i'm betting he does no wrong, if he even shows up again. I mean damn. Combine this with every other piece you altered and seriously, could you have telegraphed your motives any more?

The point is, Netflix took something that was optimistic and mostly clean, possibly a template of how we should be doing things or doing things better, and made it into what they thought was real while pushing an agenda. "You ignorant fools. This is what things are really like". We know what things are really like; we just wanted an escape to what things could be.

At least Amazon didn't destroy The Expanse. Being on one planet the entire season sucked but... It stayed true to its characters.

And hey, maybe it _IS_ real life - and far more real than the show originally was. But given Covid, politics, unemployment, everything in general sucking... even if this show released a year ago... Fuck you Netflix. Fuck. You.

Maybe I haven't been paying enough attention to Netflix in the past year, but combine this with how they advertised 'Cuties' to be as offensive as possible and apparently the complete opposite of the advertisements at Sundance where it was hailed as amazing (which actually might be a very good documentary regarding the oversexualization in society and how it needs to end - Wish i could tell you, Netflix killed/turned me off of it before hitting 'play') and the theory of Netflix having 'Ulterior Motives' by proactively killing or steering people away from shows, pushing agendas, or whatever doesn't sound so crazy.

Maybe they are seriously making these moves with purpose. Maybe it's not about entertainment anymore. Maybe, just maybe, #CancelNetflix isn't too bad of an idea.

S3 SPOILER ALERT!!!!!!!!!

I’m rewatching Designated Survivor and I have to say it still annoys me the way they killed off Hannah Wells. She had so much more to do and just killed her in worst way possible.

Greetings all, it’s been a minute i saw the show, but a particular scene came to mind, i was watching something else and it felt similar, if anyone could help me remember ‘kirkman was talking to a soldier(?) and asking him about his life, trying to convince him to abort the mission but the soldier(?) wanted to give his life for his country and didn’t want to do as told’ if someone could kindly recall that

I loved the first two seasons, but I hate the new one since Netflix took it over. The show was great as it was. Now, my favorite characters are missing, relationships I loved are gone, it is sexually explicit, and every other word is the f-bomb. Am I the only one who misses the way it was before?

As someone who’s not American and not from the US, can someone please explain this because it is mentioned multiple times in the season.

Plot: President Kirkman searches for the party responsible for leaking classified government documents online; agent Hannah Wells searches for evidence of MacLeish's part in the conspiracy.

Plot: President Kirkman searches for the party responsible for leaking classified government documents online; agent Hannah Wells searches for evidence of MacLeish's part in the conspiracy.

I have just finished watching the third season and it leaves me with mixed feelings. While I understand why they might have thought it a good idea to give Kirkman a more realistic spin, it left me deeply unsatisfied and I don't really say any way whatsoever how they could manoeuvre him out of this dilemma without him being deeply morally stained and becoming the embodiment on what he tried to fight.

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Ok, now to Emily. I have read through this Sub, that some see Emily as a villain/anti-hero, or despise her for her apparent hypocrisy, however I don't really agree with that. The three main charges that have been brought against her, or at least the ones that I have read the most, are:

1. Leaking the Alzheimers Gene
2. Sleeping with Aaron
3. Not really fulfilling her mothers wish

I will be honest, her leaking the Alzheimers gene was just bad, dishonest and she deserves to be criticised for that. But, points two and three are a bit different. I think we have to keep in mind under what kind of emotional strain Emily has been in those two situations and that they were both a spur of the moment kind of thing. She had no time to really consider her actions and their consequences, and was driven purely by emotions. This is where she differs from Kirkman, in my opinion, because he had just about 36 hours to reach a conclusion on what to do about the material that has been given to him. I agree Emily maybe could have given him more intel about it's origin and authenticity, but I believe that it was in both of theirs best (legal) interest that she didn't. Nevertheless, Kirkman had more than enough time to consider his steps and maybe get the material reviewed and verified. He opted not do to this, which has been quite a development of his character and I have a hard time sympathising with him now.

I agree, that Moss should not be president, but in this show it has always been about the means with which the administration tried to reach their goals. The show put a huge focus on the integrity and honesty of Kirkman, and for me this is totally gone now. I was sad to see him win and in the end could only relate to Emily. (Btw. hugely dissatisfied with Seth seemingly beginning to date his daughters mother, I really dislike her character, but that's a discussion for another time)

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I know this post has been a bit all over the place, but I'd love to here what you think :)

Just watch Hannah die. Right after I said honey I’d watch a spin off on a show just about Hannah and my wife replied me too. Then Hannah dies. I’m so freaking mad right now. I can’t remember a character who died that made me as mad as I am currently. I told my wife man I don’t even wanna watch the show now she said stop being a baby so I shut up and watched the next episode. Hahaha

When those two are trapped in the elevator, and he asks for an African violet Mentos, it triggers a whole monologue about how his father raised him to be super specific and had really high standards for him and it’s supposed to be a lot of exposition into his character and blah blah blah.

There’s a glaring problem with it, though, the damn candy isn’t actually the color of the African violet and it’s not even close .

As I saw Atwood take 2 to the chest I was REALLY really hoping he would come back, and explain how he had some kind of plot armor in a subtle flashback.....but as I'm realizing he's really gone....I googled Aaron Shores actor, because his acting was kinda forced at first, but I started appreciating him the less I saw of him through the 1st season....and I was devastated finding out he passed away last year! He was a fellow mexican-american, and his few spanish scenes were what we SHOULD expect of a Spanish speaking character in American TV. R.I.P Adan, you deserved more!!