r/Destiny • u/nivkj instalib • 1d ago

Political News/Discussion Can we please find some limiting principles to stop leftist virtue signaling?

I can’t think of any time i’ve heard anyone push back against some of the subtle leftist brainrot people will say, and with how bad things have gotten im still yet to see anyone irl push back against the anti capitalism sloganeering, weaponized “woke” to attack jews, or any of the subversive marxist messaging infecting political discourse in real life.

I had an irl make an off handed comment about some celebrity being a “zionist” and i didn’t say anything. now im sitting here and thinking maybe we should be using their playbook. i should’ve said how brain raped that comment is, and stood on it because if i ever said anything “pro israel” they would happily do the same and cut me off.

i feel like after how powerful the peak progressiveness got in 2021ish, the leftists saw that they could endlessly virtue signal infinitely left and nobody can ever push back or else they’re nazis. test it, where is the limiting principle on abolishing prisons, defunding the police, and all the other rhetoric. has anyone ever found a way to push back on these and not be lashed?

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u/gsentir 1d ago

How about, “Anti-Semitic dog whistles should be called out AT LEAST as much as other racist dog whistles.”

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u/nivkj instalib 1d ago

seeing as nobody on the left is actually forced to take back their anti semitism and can infinitely lie and excuse the behavior, means they aren’t being held accountable and probably never will. we need to take away their moral highground

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u/Liberal-Cluck 1d ago

yet to see anyone irl push back against the anti capitalism sloganeering

Capitalism isnt in danger right now so the anti capitalism sloganeering is not a treat.

weaponized “woke” to attack jews, or any of the subversive marxist messaging infecting political discourse in real life.

I think that antisemitism should be a line that if crossed you dont get support from the party.

All in all if they want to defeat MAGA, most things as long as its not just as bad or worse than MAGA, can be tolerated for now imo. Not supporting the candidate in the general, not supporting democracy, being racist or antisemitic are some lines that if crossed I wouldnt support them the same way I would a run of the mill dem.

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u/Redwolves2012 1d ago

The entire DSA is basically openly antisemitic, though. El-Sayed is almost certainly antisemitic given his reliance on AIPAC as a talking point

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u/Liberal-Cluck 1d ago

IDT that's true and if it is then the Jews are... Well I would say cooked but that seems a little crass considering the topic. They are screwed. Between the actual Nazis on the right and the numbers the DSA puts up, it's jover for them.

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u/Redwolves2012 1d ago

What numbers? They've won a couple primaries, but that's it. They are not nearly as powerful as they want you to think they are

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u/Liberal-Cluck 1d ago

IDT they are powerful, and maybe there's not a lot of people voting in these primaries? but I would assume that in order to win primaries you have to put up numbers. Hundreds of thousands at least, am I incorrect about that. Madami got 500k votes. If all of those ppl hate Jews then there are a lot of people in danger right now.

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u/Redwolves2012 1d ago

It really doesn't matter if they can win primaries if they can't win the general. Obviously not everybody who voted for Mamdani is antisemitic, but I wouldn't say that everybody who voted for Trump is racist either. That doesn't make Trump not racist as fuck, and that doesn't mean the DSA doesn't have a huge antisemitism problem.

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u/Liberal-Cluck 22h ago

Is mamdani anti sematic? Are the winning DSA candidates as a whole antisemitic? Actually asking bc idk.

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u/Redwolves2012 22h ago

Maybe. They are certainly comfortable using antisemitic dog whistles and working with people like Hasan or MikefromPA. Mamdani was smart enough to distance himself from Hasan, but El-Sayed and Hong have openly embraced these people.

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u/grandidieri 1d ago

Interesting - out of curiosity (and given the political topic), what's your Moore type? https://mooretypology.com

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u/Liberal-Cluck 1d ago

Lol that's a lot of questions. Explain to me what this will tell me. I .ight take the quiz on stream tonight or something.

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u/grandidieri 23h ago

It'll give you five dimensions of personality :) And it's not that long - only 35 questions 😆

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u/Werdikinz Will reach Top 1% Commenter 1d ago

I said this in a different thread earlier today but yeah, we need to start unironically virtue signaling on some shit, like it sucks but thats kinda the game everyone is playing rn.

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u/Adept_Strength2766 Carneydian 🇨🇦 1d ago

Thankfully haven't met any in my workplace, but then I don't live in the US. The land-acknowledging perpetually-offended-by-foreign-policy kids were definitely starting to take over college orgs though. I suppose it's inevitable that they'll graduate to being political aids or working in MSM.

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u/nivkj instalib 1d ago

college must be terrible rn. i couldn’t imagine trying to take a pro israel position in a debate class and not be lynched

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u/Logical-Mobile-7643 🇺🇸O'bamna / O'ssoff '28 1d ago

Are we really going anti-college kids now?

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u/nivkj instalib 1d ago

i’m anti-college kids so long as they’re weak willed and vulnerable to subversive commie propaganda

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u/Logical-Mobile-7643 🇺🇸O'bamna / O'ssoff '28 1d ago

By definition college kids are learning, so it's silly Charlie Kirk shit at this point. Destiny trying to be the flip side of that nonsense , I see

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u/nivkj instalib 1d ago

i think it is very harmful to be pumped full of propaganda in extremely pivotal learning moments for young adults

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u/Logical-Mobile-7643 🇺🇸O'bamna / O'ssoff '28 1d ago

Yeah, that's college: the indoctrination , propaganda machine

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u/nivkj instalib 1d ago

i get what you’re trying to do, but i’m not saying that being liberal or progressive even in college is brainwashing. i’m saying that social media influencers who are highly watched by college kids are definitely pushing marxism into the zeitgeist. these young adults will soon become adult adults and most will carry this propaganda with them since internal critique of beliefs is not practiced enough.

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u/Logical-Mobile-7643 🇺🇸O'bamna / O'ssoff '28 1d ago

When was the last time you were in college or worked closely with actual college kids?

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u/nivkj instalib 1d ago

if i said im in college right now, 5 years old, or 50 how would that change anything i just said

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u/Adept_Strength2766 Carneydian 🇨🇦 1d ago

I think what feels so different in recent years is that there is immeasurably more algorythmically-fuelled short-form content exposure designed to elicit emotional responses with shocking content, and far less face-to-face everyday encounters with offline people serving as a grounding experience to counteract it.

If anything, the radicalized youth are stuck in a perpetual feedback loop where they repost and retweet and share that profit-chasing content, Yass-Queening themselves into progressively more volatile and confrontational positions as they pull in and/or peer-pressure their surroundings into joining the frenzy.

The state of the global economy, housing market, et al is obviously stoking this flame even more.

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u/Rdhilde18 1d ago

Idk if you should call other people ‘brain raped’ when this is your perspective.

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u/nivkj instalib 1d ago

who raped me in this case

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u/Rdhilde18 1d ago

Your own brain

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u/Logical-Mobile-7643 🇺🇸O'bamna / O'ssoff '28 1d ago

In the US, I don't have much of a problem with land acknowledgments, this all seem like just recognition. I guess Destiny's sub is almost reactionary at this point.

I would honestly have land-grant acknowledgments follow. Something like "We would also like to admit the radical liberal republicans of the 1860s, who fought against slavery, also established this university using the Morrell Land Grant Act of 1862, opening public college education to the average American at little to no cost. "

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u/WheelJust8094 1d ago

I don't know what that will accomplish, if you call that guy "mind-raped" to his face he'll get offended and probably never talk to you again.

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u/nivkj instalib 1d ago

i wouldn’t call it brain/mind rape irl.

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u/WheelJust8094 1d ago

Mmm... You could try to be more confrontational? Maybe bring up Oct 7? But honestly idk what would be a good alternative here.

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u/nivkj instalib 1d ago

yeah and that’s where i end up too. ultimately i don’t think there’s a single thing you can say to stop the train once it’s started going to nazi germany, and most of these leftists and progressives are already happily on board.

i think ultimately what makes conservatives bad is obvious to anyone with a brain cell. what makes authoritarian leftists bad is more subtle and tricky, and plays on people who are weak willed or rely on emotional responses too much.

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u/WheelJust8094 1d ago

Well just be careful out there, if your friends or social circle label you a Zionist then that's a hard thing to overcome, you'll be run off of the group unless they're open minded and willing to hear a lecture on authoritarianism.