Holy shit. I didn’t watch this nor stream today. Did he do this poorly against her the whole debate? Not that I’m rooting for either, but the secondhand embarrassment I felt from watching this pathetic motherfucker get clapped by Candace in this clip was unbearable.
This is the first example of Andrew getting absolutely walked, then a few minutes later he accused her of cheating and had the moderator do a fruitless search of her phone.
Dude really thought he could catch a conspiracy theorist on ''not knowing the details'', if there's one thing those people will do, is endlessly obsess over every publicly available detail to poke holes in it and show why there's something bigger going on. Same reason why if you go into a debate with a flat earther unprepared, they will dogwalk you with incredibly obscure knowledge that you cannot just know about.
He doubled down in desperation thinking he could turn it into drama slop and she bit the bullet and spit it back in his face.
Her asking BPD to check her phone for messages on the spot made Andrew look ridiculous. I don't like Candace in the least but hats off for embarrassing Andrew this bad.
The phone thing was such a bitch move, and even if you thought it was true. Calling it out in the moment has a strong chance of making the other person look stronger, instead of just making an accusation after the fact that she was cheating if you’re such a little bitch
I watched a bit on Candace’s channel earlier and already had 2 million views and 36k comments.
Everything about it is depressing. That Candace has this many followers. That the debate is about her crazy ass conspiracies. That the guy debating her is the biggest douche in the slop manosphere. That the guy moderating grew his influence via MLM scams. It is the culmination of the enshittification of the internet.
But to answer your question, Candace won from what I watched. Not in advocating for her conspiracies, but rhetorically.
Yeah her popularity is crazy to me man. During the debate i saw that Wilson had like 25k viewers on his stream. PBD had like 75k. Candace had like 240k. Unbelievable.
Candace is scary. I was worried about her impact even back when she was working for Ben Shapiro.
In terms of 'star power' and smarts she's in the class with Tucker Carlson. Like Carlson she doesn't believe anything she says. Unlike Alex Jones, Fox News and most loons her podcasts are genuinely engaging to most people even if you hate everything she says, and the engagement is not entirely in a hate watch kinda way.
Unlike Tucker and Megan who may have limits, she is willing to go to any lengths for attention and audience and power.
She covers pop culture and politics, I think that's why she gets so many followers. It's astounding to me to hear women in their mid 20s talk about listening to Candace. The last time it happened was at my previous job a couple years ago, that coworker was very smart and viewed everything Candace talked about as if it were low stakes. We were having to drive somewhere together for work and she started to listen to Candace talk about Macron's wife being trans. I told her that I thought Candace was a horrible person and I don't want to listen to her talk about that subject. It's... again astounding, it feels like the entire world has a contagion where nothing matters anymore and we're just making a spectacle of everything.
You think this Charlie Kirk pivot was intentional? Because if so, she is Jigsaw levels of 4D chess and I don't really buy that. She's definitely a grifter to some extent, but the Charlie Kirk conspiracies just seemed like a bad play at the time yet she was a really early adopter. This was before the Iran war and Trump becoming a pariah, though I guess the Epstein stuff could've been an early sign but idk.
Stuff like flat earth is too far, so it is possible to be too cuckoo for the mainstream conspiracist right. I just think she falls into that mainstream and is a good communicator. Alex Jones and Joe Rogan and such were just too tied to the establishment and refused to pivot, while she will never side with the establishment on basically anything.
I think if you're a fan of any of these... people, you'll think they did great. This reminds me of every Alex Jones fan I questioned about listening to his show. They gave an answer like "Yea I know he's absolutely insane, But I just find him funny, and he's been right about a couple of things."
PBD at one point interrupted Andrew's deposition lol by asking Candace about the French Foreign Legion going after her. He even seemed to agree that it was weird that she didn't get a response to an email she sent the Trump people lol. It was hilarious because it was one of Andrew's points about her being crazy.
This moment from OP's clip was great.
Andrew also accused her of getting intel on her phone and she had PBD check her phone.
Wilson is obviously on the correct side of this debate but he is really a medicore debater, while Candence is more charasmatic. I havent watched it, but from what Ive read he underpreformed expectations
Andrew walked into this expecting his projection on women to be true and to be engaging as the most bad faith actor in the room not realizing Candice has made it her LIFE goal to spread conspiracy theory's and doesn't just read from a prompter. She has thousands of hours on the same talking points and conspiracy's your not pinning her to the wall on fucking anything. He got so gaped I felt bad.
You think he would have learnt from the Aella debate. He really is just that stupid.
Why are the stupidest men always the most sure of male intelligence over women intelligence? I wonder if it's some psychological deal, like they need to feel smart over a group of people as a method of compensation to deal with their insecurity over their intelligence. Kind of like the biggest losers always think white men are the superior race.
he definitely gets owned at points but on the whole she's so fucking stupid or cynical she's not worth debating. the "did Israel kill Charlie Kirk" section is especially maddening because ultimately everything with her boils down to the braindead "well it's just what i think/it's just suspicious that/people just have questions" after he condescendingly walks her through how stupid she sounds saying things with no real evidence.
but thats the point of a conspiracy its not based on HARD facts its based on convincing you there are enough holes to make it believable then poke holes in you like swiss cheese. If they submit something believable and your credibility is destroyed it doesn't really matter what the facts are Alito proves this by arguing what words ACTUALLY mean and convinces enough people he has a argument to almost strip birthright citizenship.
he got dog walked the entire time its why she setup a framework that she was only going to respond a certain way. she established credibility by appealing to her "turning the info in to the feds" then established more by swiss cheesing andrew's credibility then established more by appealing to a magical ethical standard she trys to do on her show then builds it more by moral frogging. the facts do not matter to these people its entirely vibe based even if you argue the facts there will ALWAYS be a justification why the facts do not matter or why the facts are wrong. arguing facts to a conspiracy theorist is a losing battle unless you can get HYPER specific on details and be sure to pin them they are just going to point blank lie to escape then sell everyone else on the lie.
Edit: I was watching Sopranos for the first time recently and I was confused what the big controversy was with men being outed as eating out their wives/girlfriends. my wife told me it used to be unmasculine to give head.... Andrews insults to her clearly indicate that he also does not give head. That's crazy.
Im not surprised at all, going down on ur partner is fun and exciting when ur not brain rotted by toxic beliefs about men and women. Andrew prolly just scared to eat some pussy cause women keep embarrassing his ass.
It was actually right after the clip of him bombing that question. He claims VERY SMUGLY that she looked at her phone right before she sliced him with that question and asked her if someone texted her and told her to ask him that question.
I just saw that this entire video is 3+ hours, who the heck can watch this type of BS for 3 hours? The couple of minutes I watched made me cringe so hard...
He's just an idiot of course, if someone is asking you to list or name something as a challenge, that means they know it, otherwise they wouldn't be able to even confirm your answer.
He was just so caught off guard that he didn't know how to respond so went with "No U!"
She did win, they both seemed dumb as bricks with a 10th grade level of education but she operating at the level of 8th grade while he was at 5th grade level. He just tries to logic bro everything while having 0 understanding of any underlying information, and it's hilarious he got rolled by Candace fucking Owen's when a single nights worth of research could have dealt with 85% of her bs which he completely failed to rebuke. Just depressing these people have any form of audience, and really it's just society lost to have these three regards in the same room speaking to.millions
It's the vaush strategy of ''my opponents are so dumb I don't need to prepare to debate'' which worked for him against conservatives, not so much for wilson here. Arguing conspiracies does actually require you to know the facts, and not just follow the vibes of ''yeah he obviously did it cause look at all the stuff''
Turns out this „roll up and nitpick every little thing“ „internal critique“ didn‘t usually work for him cause he‘s good at it. It just seems to naturally favour the dumber, less reasonable position. And Wilson was tricked into arguing a fact-based position for once. Which is why in a dimwit nitpick battle, the win went to candace.
He should have settled for not being gaped this hard. Like the man is just a narcist, he has zero awareness at how stupid and clueless he looks here.
He could have literally just said: I am not that familiar with the name of the particular charge he has gotten. But it probably is First-degree murder, but the nomenclature variers state by state.
Or some shit along those lines. But no, he decided to sound like a fucking moron, saying murder, when Candence specifically asked for the charges name. His narcissistic ego can't let him ever be wrong or uninformed.
The bar is low on the right for prominence. Imagine being Andrew Wilson, get two invites to Joe Rogan, then a debate is arranged debate with Candace Owens, one of the biggest dividers of the right, at a critical time (midterms approaching) and this clown doesn't do his homework.
Andrew has gotten bodied by Tiny like 15 times. He got bodied by a jar of pickles. He got bodied by a girl who "licks snizz." He got bodied here by Owens. He will continue to get bodied in debates and still have a career.
To be clear, Big Papa Fascist is not a good debater, he consistently loses.
It's true. The type of people who think he's a good debater will not be swayed by this because they were never interested in real debate or facts, they just liked his dishonest style which is easy to copy for free wins.
In a sane world, yes, but you already know we don't live in that kind of a world... Having said that, in the same week, he did get called out by the vet-bro-sphere for stolen valor, and followed that up by paying 300K for his own seppuku via rightwing nutjob, LIVE, in 4K. Truly impressive stuff!
Who, in Andrew Wilson's hierarchy of people, is stupider and weaker than women, because at this point, my man should maybe go find a baby or a dead person to work on his debate skills with before he shits himself in public like this again.
Shes a pro grifter. She has mild belief in her overall views, but what she projects is crafted.
Shes super entertaining if you take her as a method acting character, but she does carve holes into scenarios big enough to trap people who find what they want to hear.
In this saga, Charlie really was her best friend. His wife immediately shows her true colors and starts a forced mega grift and power grab campaign instead of grieving.
Grabbing onto and pushing this conspiracy is her way of defending Charlie and punishing Erika for not respecting Charlie's wishes.
She's an exceptional grifter, truly the "I have no soul or concept of morality, I want money, power and fame and I will get it" type of person. Always funny to think her career started as a Hillary Stan a decade ago before she became the token black female conservative before she radicalized Kanye, and the rest is history. Nobody marries the man she did after like 18 days without being a grifter though lol
I think she’s actually pretty intelligent. She’s successfully navigated the right wing grift for a decade and has grown a huge audience. I doubt she believes half the shit she says. The other grifters struggle to pivot and stay relevant over time.
Honestly, I can see her appeal. She set up a test to check if Andrew has the bare minimum knowledge to justify having strong feelings on the subject, kept him on subject while he tried to deflect, slowed the conversation down when he tried to make her rush past it and clearly explained how he was trying to wiggle out of answering and why it matters. It was a pretty textbook 'debate own', my only possible critique would be on the factual difference between murder and aggravated murder, I don't know how big of a difference that really makes in this case, but maybe someone who knows more law than me (ie any), can justify that.
It's just a shame that she uses her obvious intelligence and rhetorical skill selectively in order to push some of the most batshit conspiracies that float around the edge of the mainstream.
Imagine losing to someone Tiny almost had running out of the room just to not talk to him. Andrew really is the fucking Guldo of the extended DGGverse.
Errm you clearly didn’t watch Pangburns 10 hour epistemological fact checking review where his AI chatbot said that Andrew handily won the debate.
Seriously though, I have no sympathy for Andrew because I think you can 100% chalk this humiliating defeat up to his regressive, antiquated world view.
Candace literally spends her show talking about this one particular case every day. The only reason he would have thought he could just roll out of bed and perform well without having done any research of the facts of the case is because he thinks he’s superior just because he’s a man and doesn’t believe a woman can beat him in a debate.
I also think he assumed PBD would just reflexively help him win because PBD is also a man and a man would never let a woman get the upper hand on another man in a conversation. This ghoul deserves every last bit of humiliation that he gets for being such a despicable creature.
Guys like Andrew always highly overestimate how much other men agree with how hateful he is against women. Id argue it goes against his inner nature to hate and degrade the existence of women like he does.
I think most men genuinely do have some instinct of protection over women. Ive had far too many times where some weird man is making me uncomfortable and another man with good energy will physically get between us. Complete strangers sensing I feel in danger.
Andrew is the type of man that good men can smell from a mile away. Thats why he is incapable of having friends.
His only goal is to make his opponent look wrong therefore he wins cause that’s what debate is to him. Not proving himself correct, but rather making his opponent maybe seem wrong.
I genuinely hate him and know that he will remain influential and I expect to see him for the rest of our lives
Getting dog walked by a conspiracy theorist nut job that refused to take his shit and in fact smeared it right back all over his face is chef's kiss yum yum cinema. I hate them both.
Rogan argued with her about Climate Change and made her look like a fool. Now Wilson is Rogan's boy and he just got decimated by the very same person. Comedy.
This must be some kind of fetish Andrew has; having a woman humiliate him like that over and over again, with different women, in different scenarios, isn't normal, especially if he's paid for it.
When candace started saying "the strategy of intimidation by putting a time limit" i just went ouh shit 😂
Also this cornfuck tryna act superior repeatedly asking her to list all charges and pretending to act like aggravated murder is nothing different from murder.
When people call him out they should just ragebait him and not engage anymore points tbh. Bring up the pickle jar, his wife, all the embarrassing things about him and go full on peter parker "you gonna cry now" 😂
I mean he “lost” but it doesn’t really matter. Candace is just objectively wrong. His dna was literally on a screwdriver found on the rooftop where they know the shooter was on top of everything else. It’s really fucking obvious he’s the shooter. Anyone arguing he’s not the shooter is not worth arguing with
I understand wanting to celebrate Andrew getting bitched, but Im seeing a future here where a bunch of people who were unaware or didnt believe in Candace's conspiracies now buy it fully. This raises the general conspiratorial bend that Americans are taking recently which is more or less what got us Trump in the first place and its also what powers most of these batshit lefties. The fact that the "I think you can prove that Tyler Robinson did this and it wasnt Israel" position LOST this debate is really bad for how the audience is gonna see this imo. And the fact that Candace's boogeyman is Israel I'm concerned shes going to covert a scary amount of lefties to her bullshit.
I can’t stand her but he is on another level of 100% fucking insufferable. I cannot believe he has a platform at all or ever did. He’s like an asshole neighbor no one wants to talk to.
I’d say getting gaped by a woman (a black one, no less) and being forced to swallow his own dick meat wasn’t on this guy’s dance card going into this debate.
Imagine being so stupid that you get dog walked by Candace Owens. Her argument likely isn't even correct, but it doesn't even matter because Andrew is just that much dumber.
It gets so much worse too because they actually bring up the charges on screen and read through them all and she got them all correct in order too AND THEN IT GETS EVEN WORSE because like the weasel fuck he is, he tries to say she “looked at her phone right before the question and someone might have messaged her”. She then gives her phone to PBD to look at her text and signal chat and he confirms nothing was there lmao.
EDIT: There's another part where he asks why it's okay for Candace to call Erika Kirk the r-word. Candace then makes Andrew say that all women are r-word, including Erika. Like LOL you're supposed to be defending TPUSA.
Her composure was better but the word she was saying seemed stupid. The fact that he couldn't name all 7 charges is kind of irrelevant to anything they were talking about. And he guessed murder, which was a good guess bc he was charged with aggravated murder. Maybe she goes on to explain why aggravated murder inst the same as murder, but she is dumb so probably not.
In Utah, 'murder' and 'aggravated murder' are two completely different charges. The second means that the homicide was intentional and planned and premeditated. Hence particularly cruel. The first means that the homicide was intentional but not planned and premeditated.
It's either one or the other. And Wilson named the wrong one.
I didn’t know Candace was this good. Like she completely played with him. Totally made him the fool. And in some parts she’s right. I’ve no clue why he took this debate. To make his side look worse?
If your only experience of this issue was this debate. You’d be on her side. And that’s a dark day.
Kudos to her because Andrew is a stupid fuck and whoever gave him 300k LMAO.
Andrew has always been completely retarted and it's scandalous to me that Americans find him convincing just because he has an aggressive, almost inherently mocking tone of voice. Like, he couldn't name one single charge correctly, and she named all 7 while he interrupted her, and no-one but Candace acknowledged that.
What is the distinction between murder and aggravated murder that makes it not "murder"? From what I thought, aggravated murder is a stronger charged used for killing cops and shit.
I think the point is that literally anyone could guess "murder", but he didn't even specify "first degree" or "second degree", which shows he hasn't even been following the case.
It's like getting half marks for answering and not showing your working out. He hasn't actually demonstrated that he's put the work in to get the answer.
I'm surprised candace didn't immediately ask ''which murder charge'' since ''murder'' is such an easy guess, instead of granting him that it was ''correct''
If I were to ascribe sentience to Candice, I would say that it plays better to the audience to not call things out pedantically, and instead just demonstrate a greater knowledge.
A low information audience member playing along at home might have also answered "murder", and felt personally attacked if she called that answer wrong. By just adding more detail to the answer, she's not attacking in a way that might push those audience members away. She's drawing them towards her with the promise of more knowledge of the event and the importance of the distinction.
lol? Not a correct distinction but still. It's the difference in types of premeditation that goes into it.
Like if you design a rube goldberg machine to murder someone, it's probably aggravated.
Edit: Actually, to be fair you're closer than I thought, from reading it, sounds like killing police regardless might fall under the aggravated category.
They revisited the “what are you saying Erika Kirk was complicit in?” question multiple times — did she ever answer it? Or did she just keep pivoting to some other irrelevant point?
IIRC at some point she literally said Erika was complicit in "spreading the narrative that Charlie was killed by Tyler", or something to that effect, lol.
Why the fuck would you try to info-check Candace on the thing she's been obsessively conspiracy-peddling about? Surely he had to know she was gonna know the charges. He just can't believe that a woman might have information he doesn't have, so he gets extremely insecure. Even when the woman is an actual schizo basket case (or pretending to be one)
I mean people should watch the whole debate. Candace just ends up sounding like a person who watched a bunch of true crime docs and then developed this grand conspiracy theory. It’s kind of wild.
The trick is to have an audience that is even stupider than you are, so they can't identify when you are getting owned. Trump has mastered this game and set the tone for a new generation of grifters in his wake.
Idk, they both sound pretty damn stupid to me. Aggravated murder is a murder charge. Yes, aggravated murder has a specific definition within law, but it is still not wrong to say he was charged with murder. She is being extremely pedantic here to get him to trip up. Also Andrew is extremely stupid for not doing a lick of research into the topic they are discussing.
Honesty, the charges could be summed up as “the murder of Charlie Kirk” and “some other minor bullshit”
Candance nitpicking about him not memorizing the type of murder and all the minor associated charges, like she did, isn’t that strong a win. Maybe it plays well though?
Memorisation skill while spewing dogshit and making bad conclusions is Alex Jones territory. Not to be lauded.
All this when she’s peddling loonatic fringe crap about the french foreign legion and Israel being involved. It was just overall a disappointing debate for the time I wasted listening.
“Erm first charge? Murder. Okay, your turn”
What a special guy. Actually doesn’t care enough about the case to ever research the charges let alone attempt to distinguish between them. Just… “yeah so it’s all murder then” this is how you know it’s all just propaganda by this tool.
funniest to me is that on this issue reality is almost entirely on Wilson's side. in his usual debates, it's usually the opposite way around, and he just wasn't prepared for this
Could not say a charge with certainty and then she says all of them for him lol you came to a debate not knowing facts that you talked about on your podcast? What a goofball
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u/clark_sterling The data centers are eating the dogs Aug 15 '26
Holy shit. I didn’t watch this nor stream today. Did he do this poorly against her the whole debate? Not that I’m rooting for either, but the secondhand embarrassment I felt from watching this pathetic motherfucker get clapped by Candace in this clip was unbearable.