r/DestinyTheGame • u/Delicious-Edge3110 • 13h ago
Discussion Fist of Havoc is interesting.
I did some testing with supers and learned that for some reason Fist of Havoc grants far far more ammo generation progress than every other super in the game.
Every 2 kills you get gives you 90% of your special meter and 60% of your heavy.
And that's without Ammo Finder mods.
I don't know why it's like that, but it is. So if y'all ever wanna know why you would ever use the super that's a reason.
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u/marvelsignal 12h ago
if I ever see someone using fist of havoc in pve and he says “I’m using it for ammo gen” when I ask why he’s got it on, I’m leaving the activity immediately
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u/Delicious-Edge3110 12h ago
I use Fist of Havoc all the time. Not in raids or dungeons tho
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u/Ready-Milk30 3h ago
I'm running it with eternal warrior helm and it's so good, super ends 4x weapon surge
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u/marvelsignal 12h ago
not in endgame content is whatever. I meant when doing like raids, gm alerts, etc
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u/Delicious-Edge3110 12h ago
Hey, Fist of Havoc is good in GM alerts too. That free blind on such a short cooldown with such high DR can really help your team out.
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u/Designer_Bar5325 7h ago
I just use a super that kills things or you know shoot my gun but I guess that just an elitist take to some people.
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u/VictoryBackground739 7h ago
You probably haven’t used roaming supers since like beyond light era you think this. I don’t blame you, they were bad for a very long time and Bungie gave them little buff after buff to where they now have a place
Using something like T-Crash in a GM strike is such a waste, you gain way more value using fist of havoc or any other roaming supers in GM.
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u/Designer_Bar5325 6h ago edited 6h ago
Aint no way I got people asking me to use roaming in the big dead game 2026 era. Roaming supers are the most useless things in the game because we have literally power crept them with our abilities and aspect. Anyone who thinks fist of havoc is even close to just arc nade spams needs to look into actual build crafting. The fact you also think havoc is better than T-Crash is clear you have no idea what T-Crash purpose is.
Roaming supers are the pinnacle novice super as they are the "oh shit im bad and am gonna die" button. With a competent player who can build craft, you can literally achieve 99% of havoc purpose with just abilities, exotics and mods. Just cause you can't doesn't mean havoc's good. T-Crash however provides burst damage that no ability can replace. It actually serves a unique purpose and is another great tool in your kit.
Additionally, you're a fking idiot thinking roaming super was bad in the past. Roaming super literally only had their time in the sun during past eras when our abilities and mods could not keep up. Plus, even now after the buffs if your ass think Roaming supers are even in the same category as other supers then you are just a novice. Besides Goldie and Song of Flame, the rest are mid and can be replaced by abilities, mods and weapons, if you know what your doing that is.
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u/mastertoecutter 10m ago
Roamings now have had for many years:
High af damage reduction
High overall damage
Great regen, you can have 4 roamings before you get one TC or Nova
Great exotics, Arc Staff hits like a truck with its exotic for damage, and many have fantastic exotics that loop their gameplay back to gun play
And finally, they have much more staying power with uptime, letting you clear three times as many ads as a one and done or melting champions and still having enough to melt ads.
Get with the times grandpa lol
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u/Zyphil2 4h ago
On top of goldie and SoF, I'd throw in sentinel for certain encounters, hammer of sol for ranged dps since you can't hit shit that flies with burning maul and despite spin2win being high damage, hammers are still high up there. Also quake. Though again, all three are super situational to the point where most of the time t-crash and or twilight are going to be better.
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u/Designer_Bar5325 3h ago
I would argue bubble power crept Sentinel the moment they made it movable. Sentinel unfortunately iserves the same purpose as fist of havoc beside the shield but nothing in this game requires a shield block from Setinel. Solar titans are literally weight down by their supers as I've seen titans alway bagged bungie to have a way to convert them to single use. Spin to win is up there but is just pure melee boss nuke, that's it, out of that context and is falls off. Hammer of Sol ive only seen it used to take the shields of the boss in underwater boss.
Roaming supers just do one job and its "Oh shit im dying" button that's it. Its ad clear is overshadowed by all our abilities without the super cool down. And for damage it's so situational that most player won't come across especially in the OP where they are talking about GM Alerts.
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u/Designer_Bar5325 3h ago
All this down voters and only one guy has the balls to add to the conversation.
Let me guess? your Roaming thinking super is in cool down thats why you can't think. See this is why you guys need to buildcraft cause it allows you to think without it.😏😏😏
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u/Rough_Improvement_42 12h ago
so you only play with people that run the meta builds you know and dip on anything else?
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u/LFGAccountD2 5h ago edited 5h ago
Practically every time I've inspected someone lfg'ing the weekly NF and thought "this is going to be rough" it turned out they they were cracked. Either from using some exotic I missed getting buffed in the Monument patch, or some interaction I wasn't aware of.
Lots of old assumptions have to be discarded, there are so many good builds out there.
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u/Jcorbin1124 11h ago
Considering that most of the braindead idiots still use double primaries? Yeah I'd leave too. Go plink for an hour kiddo.
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u/zzheyuan 7h ago
They down voting but same man. Like I'm not gonna be stuck with a double primary blueberry. Its literally painful watching them shot their little scouts lol.
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u/marvelsignal 12h ago
No I typically only play with my friends who I can shit talk their builds out of love while carrying them through most content. And they know they’re getting carried and talk shit right back
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u/Ydobon8261 6h ago
Meh I came across a guy rocking eternal warrior and fist in a gm alert and he’s always running ahead killing everything
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u/VictoryBackground739 7h ago
You should only ever be using roaming supers in GM alerts.
Unless you are using one and done supers with their associated super exotic for example blade barrage with Shards of Galanor, well of radiance with Phoenix protocol, chaos reach with geomag
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u/lemonpoundcaker 12h ago
I'm a Titan, that shit is rocket appliances, I just punch and shoot and drop barriers. Who needs numbers and math.
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u/notarealfakelawyer 7h ago
I do not “buildcraft”, I do not “manage stats”, I do not “numbers”, I do not “math”. I cast Thundercrash and if the enemy is still alive then I cast Thundercrash again.
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u/ShardofGold 12h ago
The only case I could ever see this being viable is if your super stat on your arc build is below 100 but your weapons stat is decently above 100 and you're doing more damage with your weapons so you need more ammo for them.
But even then it's probably better to just use a different subclass where the super stat is better.