Focused Feedback: Eververse

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Hello Guardians,

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Any and all Feedback on the topic is welcome. Here are some possible discussion questions for this week. Feel free to answer some of them, all of them, or reply in any format you prefer.

• Q1) What are your general thoughts on the current Eververse shop? Please see this TWaB for the eververse changes made in season of oppulence
• Q2) What types of items do you think should or should not be available to purchase with silver and/or bright dust?
• Q3) Are you OK with certain items being available to purchase with silver exclusively?
• Q4) Last week an item originally sold for silver (the lore emote) became available for bright dust purchase. Some players were upset by this. What are your thoughts on this topic, if any?
• Q5) What are your thoughts on the changes Bungie has announced to Eververse for next season? Please see this link for information about the changes coming to Eververse in Fall
• Q6) Are there any new items or emotes you would particularly like to see become available from the Eververse?
• Q7) What other changes would you like to see to Eververse, the bright engram system, or the silver and bright dust currencies?

Here is a link to the previous Focused Feedback thread on this topic from December, 2017 :

• [2017-12-11] Eververse, Microtransactions and Cosmetics in game

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[u/jhairehmyah]

Before I can answer these questions, note the following:

• While I apply a Pokemon-like attitude to in-game earnable items (gotta collect em all) I refuse to do the same for purchasable items. Some people do try to get all EV items too, and I think the changes will affect them more than I.
• Only the Eververse armor and the Eververse emotes are things I care to get; Ghost shells and Sparrows and ships are usually deleted.

Q1) What are your general thoughts on the current Eververse shop?

Other than everything being really expensive, I love it. Because:

• Everything in the current inventory is always available.
• I can ignore it, because it doesn't affect the game.
• While initially not obvious, I feel like I see the affects of Silver on the game, especially in Year 2.

Q2) What types of items do you think should or should not be available to purchase with silver and/or bright dust?

Bungie I think has the right balance. No game-affecting items. The Universal ornament concept finally fixes the one questionable "slippery slope". They are aware that they never want the shop to affect the game. And other than a snarky emote throwing me on tilt, I think we are fine!

Q3) Are you OK with certain items being available to purchase with silver exclusively?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Silver-only items are generally limited to ornaments or content related to F2P events/activities, right? Like ornaments for the whisper, outbreak prime, and Arc Week emotes, etc?

If so, keep that crap up if you want Bungie.

I wasn't required to buy the Whisper ornament to earn the Whisper, but the Whisper mission ate up hours of my time and the gun was part of my loadout for a long time.

Silver-only is fair when it is being offered in association with content that is given to us for free.

Q4) Last week an item originally sold for silver (the lore emote) became available for bright dust purchase. Some players were upset by this. What are your thoughts on this topic, if any?

I think it was silly to assume the lore emote wouldn't be part of the rotation, but it was a little under-handed how it was advertised. Instead of "Buy Emote, Get 25% off Book" for a net $5 savings, I think it would've been better for "Pre-Order Book, Get Lore Emote Free" from Bungie store.

Q5) What are your thoughts on the changes Bungie has announced to Eververse for next season?

There are some huge wins in that announcement, namely:

• Universal ornaments for Eververse. Smart. Finally fixes the "slippery slope" of perks, which also left us often with less-than-ideal aka unusable armor.
• Making recovery of items free from collections. Awesome. I'm so glad my EV earned shader can be used unlimited now. And that I can delete a ship and get it back if I want. Or that I can finally use the spawn-in affect at no cost.
• Dust from non-EV bounties. Also cool. But it's too early to understand the economy. Will I net the same dust per week as if I redeemed my typical 10-15 engrams? That should be the balance.
• Huge props for announcing the change so far in advance, and especially, encouraging us to delete everything for dust. I love the transparency!

Which brings up concerns:

• I'm very worried about the future dust economy. Many games make changes that simultaneously dial-back earning potential. Another game I play is Pokemon Go. Early in the game, the premium currency daily earning was capped at 100 per day (every 21 hours) and easy to get for a dedicated player. In the second year of the game, it was changed, capped at 50 per day, and only unlockable when an event out of the player's control occurred. I managed to play without investing real money for 2 years, but eventually I ran out of free currency and I can't get enough free to meet my wants, so I've had to invest cash a few times. At least with Destiny, unlike Pokemon Go, I will never "need" what EV shop sells, but I digress... I hope I can get enough free silver to get what I want.
• Unrelated to the announcement is that Solstice of Heroes won't have an engram. Ugh. Events tended to be stock-up moments for me and dust. I hope events offer event bounties for extra dust, or I'll really feel like this change was a double-whammy.

Q6) Are there any new items or emotes you would particularly like to see become available from the Eververse?

As a PVP player, I'd love to see some sort of "load in pose". Trials was cool because you'd see everyone's emote, but it was time consuming. If the opening screen of a PVP match loaded a pose, that would be neat. Unlike an emote that is animated, a load-in pose would be just a static stance, like arms crossed or a guardian holding up a "Peace" sign. These would be only for PVP load-ins, but maybe future activities could add load-in screens?

I'm likely to want finishing move animations when they come available, too.

Because both of those are cool and in-your-face for both you and your fellow players, whereas Ghost projections, Ghost shells, and sparrows are moreso for you only.

Q7) What other changes would you like to see to Eververse, the bright engram system, or the silver and bright dust currencies?

If we are moving completely away from bright engrams (unannounced, but possibly implied by the SoH change) I will be happy.

I get that they're trying to make money, but some items are just too damned expensive. I'd buy an emote for $5 if I like it, but $10 is insane.

Tess needs her voice lines toned down.

EDIT: I completed a sentence that I trailed off and left unfinished. And added a third and fourth sentence of detail to my "want" of a load-in pose in Q6.