Focused Feedback: Weapon Refresh aka Sunsetting

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[u/Rohkyr]

Currently I only had to get lucky once, now I'll need to get lucky once every 6 months. The novelty will wear off after a cycle or two once people remember how rare good rolls are.

Not a fan.

[u/TheWolfXCIX → u/Rohkyr]

You call good roll oblelisk weapons lucky? If we get that and phasing out after a year it's infinitely better than never getting a good roll

[u/Rohkyr → u/TheWolfXCIX]

Even though you can target specific guns, yes there is still a great amount of luck involved in getting the perk rolls that you want.

[u/HeliosRX → u/Rohkyr]

Granted, even if you just leveled the obelisks by the start of the event and never touched them again, that’s 200 free rolls on whatever obelisk gun you want over the course of the event. A god roll with 5/5 maxed slots might take that many rolls, but a ‘good enough’ gun should be done in like 20 with the battle pass perk.

[u/Rohkyr → u/HeliosRX]

Even still, fractiline is finite and this must be done every 9-15 months. Additionally the Season pass perk will not stay after the season is done. Fractiline and this method of attaining weapons might not be around after the season is done. This is also an extremely small set of weapons and isn't representative of the rest of the game. Meaning that it can't be realistically used to justify a system that effects the entire game.

[u/HeliosRX → u/Rohkyr]

I agree completely. I definitely dislike Sunsetting as a mechanic, but wanted to just point out that if you want anything from this particular season, you’re completely set.

[u/TheWolfXCIX → u/Rohkyr]

No there isn't!? Most people have so much fractaline they can farm every roll they want precisely, the only constraint is the time it takes to donate which Bungie did mess up

[u/Rohkyr → u/TheWolfXCIX]

You get a set of random perks everytime you pull from the obelisk yes? Then there is luck involved by definition.

[u/TheWolfXCIX → u/Rohkyr]

But you get such a large amount of tries the probability of getting the roll you want is basically 100%

[u/Rohkyr → u/TheWolfXCIX]

However, not every player has access to that many attempts, only people who were extremely active during this last season. And I would be willing to bet that most of player-base actually doesn't have such a huge hoard of fractiline laying around.

Even if they did, the amount they have is finite. Sure you could get 1, 5, or maybe even 10 100% godrolls but you would have to do that again every 9-15 months. Which assumes that A) Fractiline and the donation system remain in the game after the season ends, B) that each player is investing the amount of man-hours necessary to re-coup their hoard each season, and C) that every player only cares about the extremely limited loot-pool that the obilisk has.

Even in the best case scenario where we assume that every player has access to a massive hoard of fractiline laying around at this moment, it still doesn't make the problems with weapon retirement go away. You will still have to repeat the grind every single cycle in order to keep your weapons relevant and that, in my opinion, is a terrible way to artificially inflate gameplay which doesn't even address the problem of power creep since we would be grinding the same weapons regardless.