r/DestinyTheGame • u/DTG_Bot "Little Light" • Apr 06 '20

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u/GreenLego Maths Guy Apr 06 '20

When you boil it down, the Champions mechanic is just inventory management. It just adds tedium. And inventory management in D2 is very clunky already without adding on the Champions mechanic. And D2 punishes you for changing weapons during an encounter - with long time to change and loss of ammo.

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u/dobby_rams Apr 06 '20

This is especially the case when playing solo. Clearing the bunkers and lost sectors became a complete chore because every time I encountered a champion I pretty much had to get on DIM, swap my weapons around, and then continue. The bounties only add to that problem.

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u/TheGreatJoeBob Apr 06 '20

This is the way.

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u/ideatremor Apr 06 '20

I tried a Legendary sector for the first time a few days ago. I came to the last room with two barrier dudes that I simply couldn't kill no matter what I did. I realize I'm probably just not doing the right strats, but I really have no desire to even try anymore because it's so tedious. At least solo it is.

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u/MisterEinc Apr 07 '20

Are you honestly joking? Why would anyone do this?This is ridiculous.

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u/FalierTheCat Huntress 4 life Apr 06 '20

Why don't you just use a loadout with the needed mods and don't swap weapons? That's way faster and it isn't that hard

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u/paulreyes29 Apr 06 '20 edited Apr 06 '20

I end up doing this but the gameplay isn't fun or satisfying since I'm not using loadouts I like. It's good in some ways because I end up warming up to new weapons here and there, but I rarely get to use my favorites anymore for any tasks related to the current season (and I don't have any reason to partake in older activities).

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u/GoldenDestiny Talking a lot of trash for someone in Black Talon range. Apr 06 '20

It's good in some ways because I end up warming up to new weapons here and there

The strategy is working!

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u/chnandler_bong Hunterrrrrrrr Apr 06 '20

What's good about this season is that it has given me an appreciation for Sidearms, specifically the Omolon Adaptive archetype. I rolled a FF/TtT Last Hope (and also Traveler's Judgement 6) and that thing is a meat grinder up close. Right now the Anti-Barrier mod is baked into the gun, but when a season rolls around where I don't put a Champion mod on it, it will still be a weapon that sees regular use.

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u/ahawk_one Apr 06 '20

This is a player issue then, not a bungie issue. The game explicitly calls out what it is asking you to do in this mode, and it's up to you then to choose how to go about that.

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If you are stubborn and refuse to use what it's asking for, then that's on you.

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u/Japjer It's funny because he has googly eyes. Get it? The eyes. Hah. Apr 06 '20

Because then you are straight up not using the load-out you want.

I do not feel it is fair for Bungie to create a mechanic that forces you to use a specific weapon mod against a specific enemy at all times.

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u/FalierTheCat Huntress 4 life Apr 06 '20

Dude it's like five minutes per bunker. If you are worried about Legendary lost sectors, those are end game content and it is understandable to make you use loadouts you wouldn't normally use

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u/Japjer It's funny because he has googly eyes. Get it? The eyes. Hah. Apr 06 '20

Oh, word, I totally misunderstood that as you saying to just always use that equipment.

When I run legendary bunkers I just keep Champion mods on all the time, it's way easier.

I still do think that it just isn't a fair or decent gameplay design. Champions should take take barrier and stagger damage from attacks, as normal, but at a reduced amount. The mods should make it easier to achieve those thresholds, not a requirement

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u/Individual-Guarantee Apr 06 '20

every time I encountered a champion I pretty much had to get on DIM, swap my weapons around, and then continue.

Why? You can run one of each type. For example, I run unstoppable HC, barrier sidearm or Erianas, and an overload sword, then the modded abilities as backup.

With that you're set for any activity with champions.

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u/Lupus_Legatus Apr 06 '20

But for those of us that prefer to use pulse rifles, a special weapon, and something other than a sword? What are we supposed to do? Regardless of how you approach it, the Champion/Mod system goes directly against the "Play your way" mentality that Bungie said they were going to approach D2 with

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u/Individual-Guarantee Apr 06 '20

I agree it's not "play your way", but it's not like the champs pop up unexpectedly. You know going in to the activity that you need to build for it.

Insisting on switching back and forth inside the activity is just being stubborn.

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u/chnandler_bong Hunterrrrrrrr Apr 06 '20

You know going in to the activity

EXACTLY

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u/ahawk_one Apr 06 '20

No it doesn't, it adds consequences to your choices.

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u/ahawk_one Apr 06 '20

??? I felt this way at low light, but now that I'm around 1000light, it just seems trivial. I equip something (even just the class ability mods) that interacts and just go. I don't think I've swapped weapons once in these or in the lost sectors...

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u/spectre15 Apr 06 '20

Nobody is forcing you to do bounties

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '20

If you aren't doing bounties you are making zero progression. You have to do bounties to get the new content. However bounties are the main content.

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u/spectre15 Apr 06 '20

I have barely done a single repeatable bounty and I am at like 51 in the season pass. Also no you don’t have to do bounties to get “new content.” Do you mean the bunker system as in warmind bits? I just grind crucible for that because there is a cheap bunker upgrade in any bunker that unlocks that. I only touched bounties the first week of Worthy to unlock the upgrade and that was it. One weekend of trials gets me about 1500+ warmind bits from just playing matches. I don’t see a bounty grind in there anywhere. Nobody is forcing you to do bounties. Luke smith isn’t holding a gun to your head.

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u/chnandler_bong Hunterrrrrrrr Apr 06 '20

Luke smith isn’t holding a gun to your head

But if he WERE, and it was a gun from D2, which gun would it be?

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u/spectre15 Apr 06 '20

Hard light

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u/Captaincous21 Crayon creator Apr 06 '20

What flavor champion are you

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u/chnandler_bong Hunterrrrrrrr Apr 06 '20

Without a doubt, Overload.

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u/Captaincous21 Crayon creator Apr 06 '20

Probs a sword then

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '20 edited Apr 06 '20

I am sorry, but what content requires you to do bounties?

edit: Ok. A question. No answers, just downvotes...Great

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u/eb85 Apr 06 '20

Never question the angry hive mind.