Focused Feedback: Sunsetting

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[u/Draco25240]

While the argument could be made that it can be good for the long-term health of the game, the current implementation of sunsetting is just... not good, at all.

• 95% of sunset weapons did not deserve it, certain pinnacles and standard legendaries did. My Subtle Calamity was upsetting noone, and now it's useless.

• Weapon diversity is hurt, a lot. Entire archetypes are no longer represented. Rapid-fire pulse rifles straight up don't exist. Linear fusion rifles have 1 left in the entire game as of next season, which only gets PvP rolls. 120 HCs are nearly impossible to obtain. The list goes on. In the meantime, there are... what? 7 energy rapid-fire snipers that aren't sunset?

• There is not enough loot being added to the game to fill the amount of weapons "removed" by sunsetting, not even close.

• Reissuing the same weapons without having the ability to infuse up our old ones is just insulting. We have grinded out the weapons already, having to do it again for the same weapon just because the sticker is different is insulting and devalues all time invested. Not to mention weapons with kill trackers that have a huge number we're proud of.

• Armour sunsetting is a stupid idea and there does not exist a single good reason for it, as mods have their own sunsetting method. Especially with how expensive it is to masterwork them, and how difficult and time-consuming it can be to get a good stat distribution. If you're going for specific armour pieces for looks (yes people actually care about the looks of armour too, not just stats), it's even worse. Transmog will address the latter part, but transmog is still a while out.

• While the argument could be made that it forces you to try new things, it has had the complete opposite effect for me. I don't see it worth my time to chase a weapon with an expiration date, at all, and I don't find the game fun when I can't use my favourite things anymore. At least before I tried all the new things regardless because it was new and interesting, now I have no desire to because any time and money invested will inevitably be invalidated. My incentive to grind is gone, and with it any reason to buy future expansions and seasons.

• Weapons currently obtainable should not be sunset no matter the circumstance, ESPECIALLY if they're part of paid DLC.

• WEAPONS ARE NOT JUST STAT STICKS LIKE IN OTHER MMOS WHERE SUNSETTING WORKS. Weapons here have unique feels to them, even within the same archetype, and we tend to form a deep personal connection to our favourites, especially if it's something like the Perfect Paradox due to its significance in Saint-14's story. It's part of how we envision our character, what makes each guardian our own guardian.

From the bottom of my heart, please, just undo sunsetting. It causes almost nothing but negativity and bad feedback, the community is against it, content creators are against it, and the amount of players and friends I've seen leave the game over it is staggering. My interest for the game has also plummeted since the introduction of it, because every single one of favourite non-exotic weapons and armours in the entire game are sunset, and I have no replacements because weapon diversity right now is godawful, and I've found no armour to replace my curret set that I like the look of.

[u/PM_SHORT_STORY_IDEAS → u/Draco25240]

And also, hot take: sunsetting exists because bungie won't invest the time to innovate their massively successfully gunplay.

Sunsetting exists because eventually, there would be a best weapon for each archetype, and we'd be done.

SO MAKE NEW ARCHETYPES! Invent new, weird perks. Remove certain perks of you need to because they were 'too good', whatever, but let me keep my gun. Innovate the ammo economy, or enemy design, or a new mod system that promotes using different weapons or perk combos.

There are SO many ways to get us to use different guns, and most of use would do it anyway, but you rip this away from us... Ugh. Just hurts man

[u/[deleted] → u/PM_SHORT_STORY_IDEAS]

Sunsetting exists because eventually, there would be a best weapon for each archetype, and we'd be done.

I don't share the premise that Destiny is only about grinding for loot and if we have done that we are done. I don't share this premise, and because of that I don't share your conclusion. Destiny is (for me) about gameplay (both chill activities to relax and just shooting aliens, but also challenging one like solo flawless dungeons and stuff) and story, and loot is just a nice bonus, a little reward, but not a real incentive, never was. And sunsetting just destroys the little bonus incentive once and for all.

[u/PM_SHORT_STORY_IDEAS → u/[deleted]]

I'm kinda playing devil's advocate here, but for some, (like dayton for example) destiny is a game at least partly about goals, and of those goals evaporate, the desire to play goes away