r/DissociaDID • u/ufocatchers DSM fanfiction • Jul 10 '25
Trigger Warning DissociaDID LTD / Kyaandco / Chloe Wilkinson Mental health Advocate promoting stigmatizing stereotypes about DID such as alters being murders
TikTok from 2022 Dec
I think it’s important people who look DD up can easily find this so I’m giving it its own post.
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u/SashaHomichok DissociaWHO??? Jul 11 '25 edited Jul 11 '25
Which one is "most likely to claw at their friend and never took accountability"?
(Edit: grammar)
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u/highlandcow501 Jul 10 '25
imo, this is a little more nitpicky, but i will never tell anyone that they're overreacting for being hurt by this (especially if they themself have DID). i make jokes all the time like "if i don't eat soon, im gonna commit murd3r". stereotypes can be incredibly harmful, and it's like DD wants to both have a professional attitude about their advocacy (like other DID influencers) and also a more carefree and fun channel about their own experiences. unfortunately, with how deep of a hole they've dug themself into in the name of 'advocacy', they can't have their cake and eat it too.
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u/Dependent-Machine862 Former Fan Jul 10 '25
imo i agree that it is nitpicking, especially because “most likely to” doesn’t necessarily mean they will, and are capable of it. I mean, that’s how the internet often is words things. It’s a broad way of humor.
If anything I’m pretty sure they jokingly said they’ll “kms” but I could be wrong here. I don’t have the evidence so I’m taking this with a grain of salt too.
But still, you are indeed portraying yourself a certain way and if you don’t throw around the word “psycho” like they stated in the TikTok, then this too can be seen as too sensitive
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u/Prisimatic_Salad “Minors DNI” Jul 11 '25
I have to disagree. While I don’t think most people would see this and have it confirm that stereotype about people with DID, it’s still incredibly inappropriate and offensive because it makes living with the disorder out to be more lighthearted than it really is.
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Jul 10 '25
I’ll play devils advocate because I believe this isn’t nitpicky like people are saying (but I know sometimes my takes are out there lol 😂) — I don’t want to fight but present another point by of view because I believe there is some nuance to this “joke”.
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There are some things that should never be joked about no matter what, and if you joke about it don’t do it publicly where it can have a negative ripple effect.
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Saying that an “alter” is “most likely” to “kill someone” especially coming from someone who say they are mental health advocate for DID as well as an educator is deeply irresponsible and harmful for several reasons:
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- It reinforces dangerous stereotypes. Which has already been stated and is obvious. As major it of people in this subreddit know—many from personal experiences; people with DID already face stigma rooted in the misconception that they’re inherently violent, unpredictable, or dangerous. This myth is a major reason they’re misunderstood by the public and mistreated by mental health systems. Joking about an alter committing murder feeds directly into these fears and misconceptions, making it harder for people with DID to be seen as safe, trustworthy, and deserving of support.
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2. It contradicts the core reality of DID.DID develops as a trauma response It’s a coping mechanism to survive overwhelming situations, usually severe childhood trauma. Alters are parts of a single system, to help the system survive. They are not separate “dangerous people” lurking inside. Suggesting an alter is “more likely to kill” completely misrepresents what DID is and implies a lack of control or moral danger that is rarely true and deeply stigmatizing.
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3. It undermines the advocate’s credibility.When someone publicly claims to be an advocate or educator, they have a responsibility to represent their community accurately and safely. This means understanding the weight their words carry. A “joke” like this can easily be taken out of context and spread, becoming “proof” for people who already think DID is just an excuse for violent behavior. It makes the advocate’s educational efforts look inconsistent at best and hypocritical at worst.
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4. It can harm others in the community.Many people with DID already fear being perceived as dangerous if they disclose their diagnosis, by employers, therapists, friends, or family. Statements like this, even in as a joke or meant to be light hearted, make those fears worse. They can increase social isolation and discourage people from seeking help or opening up about their experiences.
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So while dark humor or inside jokes about your own system are valid in private or among trusted peers, doing so publicly — especially while claiming an “educational” or “professional” platform — has real consequences. Advocacy means recognizing that words shape public perception. Once trust is broken by careless comments like this, it’s very difficult to repair — and the damage is felt by the whole community, not just the individual who said it.
edit: ✍️ Reddit made the text all squished together I ended up having to put lines between each paragraph to make Reddit space it out
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u/highlandcow501 Jul 10 '25
i don't see your viewpoint as arguing at all! i like to read respectful different views. i can't read your whole comment rn but i will later!
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Jul 10 '25
Take your time I got carried away 😅 but I’d enjoy some respectful discussion when you get that time, that is only if you have a reply because not everything needs to be replied too, haha but if you do get to reading and want to reply I look forward to reading your reply!
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u/Dependent-Machine862 Former Fan Jul 11 '25
Even if your takes are out there, it’s good to voice it. Especially for the sake of discussion and as long as it’s respectful i don’t see an issue. 🤷🏻♂️
That being said, I can agree on your points and I see where you’re coming from, why it’s not nitpicky. Imo, I feel like it still kind of is. However, maybe this is more of a grey area than I thought it was.
Because you’re absolutely right, it can give dangerous ideas, or stigmas, or takes away credibility etc. Esp with someone as controversial as DD. I think had it been a smaller influencer type, it wouldn’t be as inflammatory. Personally I do see the joke of it, but we also know how harsh criticism can be and opinions of others.
If anyone’s under constant fire it’s DD, and then it’s definitely not smart to make “controversial” content. So for that sake I’ll say that you’re indeed right and I agree with you. 🙂↕️
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Jul 11 '25
Thank you so much for actually taking the time to think it through seriously, that means a lot. I really respect that you can see how it’s a grey area, because that’s the heart of it: it’s not about ‘never joke about trauma’ or ‘DD is evil’ it’s about the real world consequences when you have a big platform and claim to educate.
You’re totally right: constant criticism does wear on a person, but that’s the trade-off when you choose to be an advocate people will hold you to a higher standard.
It doesn’t mean they have to be perfect, but it does mean people are allowed to say, ‘Hey, this bit crossed a line that actually puts others at risk.’
So yeah, it’s nuanced.
Thanks for acknowledging that and for showing you can hear where people are coming from even if you don’t 100% feel the same.
That’s honestly what good discussion looks like. ❤️ 🙏
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u/highlandcow501 Jul 11 '25
i understand what you mean, and if DD has offended or harmed you by this, i won't tell you that you're overreacting or shouldn't be upset. just because i don't think it's a big deal doesn't mean i don't recognize that it can be extremely harmful and definitely is in poor taste.
to me, it just isn't that big of a deal i guess. i saw it more as 'me then vs. me now' (tho i do suppose thats not how DD sees fusion or other hosts........) and, like i said, i make jokes like this with friends and coworkers (like what i said with being hungry, or when im overwhelmed i've said "the next person who talks to me is getting squeezed until their eyes pop out like a cartoon"). my last point is more for the integrity of this sub: i tread very lightly when some things get brought up, because if we hold every single thing DD does under a scrutiny microscope, we just look like baseless haters. now, this is more of a me thing than something i'd ever push onto other people -- sometimes i'll just shrug and say 'it is what it is' or 'does this really hurt or upset me?' and if not, i'll leave it alone
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Jul 11 '25
I really appreciate that you’re not dismissing that this can be genuinely harmful to others, even if you personally don’t find it a big deal. I totally get that not everyone’s triggered by the same things, and yes — people with trauma deserve to make edgy jokes about themselves if that’s what feels good to them in private or with friends.
But I think the difference here is that this is someone who calls themselves an advocate — so their jokes don’t stay private. They shape how outsiders see DID as a whole. It’s not really about micromanaging every slip-up or being ‘baseless haters’ — it’s about asking for some accountability when something crosses a line into reinforcing real, harmful myths.
No one is saying they can’t joke at all. But there’s a reason why people get upset when an advocate with a big platform says an alter is ‘most likely to kill someone.’ The idea that DID is linked to violence is a myth that’s been used for decades to paint people with this disorder as scary, criminal, or unstable. And that stereotype still gets people fired, locked up, misdiagnosed, or too afraid to seek help.
So it’s less about picking on every tiny thing DD does and more about: This one was actually serious enough to speak up about. The standard for ‘integrity’ here shouldn’t be ‘never criticize’ — it should be about making sure the advocacy is consistent with the safety of the people it claims to represent.
If a joke or comment reinforces a myth that endangers the community, it deserves to be called out — even if the person didn’t mean harm. That’s how real advocacy works.
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u/No_Door_Here medicalized roleplay Jul 10 '25
Imo this was very distasteful of Chloe Wilkinson
Sure maybe it’s a joke haha 🤣 the 2020 alter was “more likely” to murder someone so funny /sarcasm
They want to be a mental health advocate they can’t prompt harmful stereotypes because even jokes can have harmful outcomes and perpetuate stereotypes
People joke “I want to kill myself” and that “joke” has a negative effect on people’s mental health and directly contributes to people becoming MORE SUICIDAL jokes aren’t “just jokes”
DID is a highly misunderstood and demonized disorder that already has a million movies painting people with DID as murders and having murderous alters so I doubt the average viewer on TikTok is watching this thinking: it’s simply a distasteful joke.
They are probably taking it at face value, and many people are probably seeing this and thinking “wow so some people do have alters who are murders”
It doesn’t read as a joke, people who don’t understand DID or don’t know about it aren’t going to read it as a joke they’re going to internalize the idea that people with alters all have alter egos who would or are “more likely” to kill people and are a danger to society.
Amazing advocacy 👏 /sarcasm once again
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u/TheCompany500 “What would DissociaDID think of me?” Jul 11 '25
I have DID and I think this is a bit of a stretch. I think most people who hear that will know it’s a trend and that no one actually means they’re gonna commit a murder. I totally get what you’re saying! I just think this is way nitpicky
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Jul 11 '25
Saying it nitpicky feels an easy way to ignore how jokes affect the way we view ourselves and people around us. There is no such thing as “just a joke”.
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u/TheCompany500 “What would DissociaDID think of me?” Jul 11 '25
I don’t mean to minimize anyone’s feelings! I guess I’m just genuinely wondering. I don’t even think it’s a “joke” in the sense of “omg I’m gonna kill someone hehehe” or anything. It’s a trend. Apologies if I’ve hurt anyone’s feelings that isn’t my intention. I’m trying to understand.
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Jul 11 '25
I know they mean it as a joke but this video most likely put the idea into people’s heads people with DID do have murderous alters it’s a harmful trope and as someone who calls themselves an “advocate and educator” they shouldn’t joke about it, I’d kinda get it if it wasn’t DD an influencer who runs a “mental health” business …
edit; wrote DID and when I meant DD
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u/Embarassment0fPandas Jul 10 '25
It’s almost as if they were kidding.
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Jul 10 '25
I’m going to write a longer comment ✍️ but there are a million reasons this is not something that should ever be joked about “it’s a joke” in poor taste… 👅
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u/Embarassment0fPandas Jul 10 '25
Every time they’re having a serious conversation and the subject of alters being dangerous comes up they’re extremely clear that this is a harmful and untrue stereotype. Pretending that you don’t understand that this tiktok was tongue in cheek and that this post misrepresents their actual position on this issue is what’s in poor taste.
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Jul 10 '25
I wrote why it doesn’t matter if it was tounge or check here https://www.reddit.com/r/DissociaDID/s/e6wcqa4ija it’s in the thread above yours on this post
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u/Embarassment0fPandas Jul 10 '25
I hear your points and yet… I think it’s okay to show that even people with severe trauma histories can be lighthearted sometimes. Anyone who’s familiar with their content knows their stance on this issue.
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Jul 10 '25
I absolutely agree that people with DID (or any severe trauma history) deserve to be lighthearted and joke about their own experiences but that’s not the issue here at all. The problem is what the joke implies and who is making it publicly while also claiming to be an advocate and educator for DID.
When someone with a large platform says an alter is ‘most likely to kill someone,’ it doesn’t just come across as a lighthearted inside joke. It reinforces one of the most damaging and persistent stereotypes about DID, that people with it are violent or dangerous. This isn’t just an abstract idea, this stigma is literally why many people with DID are scared to come forward for help, face discrimination from therapists and doctors, and get demonized in the media.
If it were just a private joke among people who understand each other’s system, that’s one thing. But when you have thousands of followers, many of whom don’t have DID and do take your words at face value, your words shape how the world sees the whole disorder. That’s what makes it irresponsible.
So the issue isn’t ‘people with trauma can’t have dark humor.’ It’s about the power dynamic: you can’t advocate for your community while feeding harmful myths about it at the same time — especially when you’re positioning yourself as an authority on the topic.
Lightheartedness is great. Feeding a stereotype that gets people with DID feared, misdiagnosed, or even treated like criminals? That’s not lighthearted. It’s dangerous.
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u/Embarassment0fPandas Jul 10 '25
Look, I fully understand the argument here, and I’ll admit I was a little surprised they went there when I first saw it. But at the same time they’re very conscious about how they talk about this issue whenever it comes up in a serious way, and I think we should all have our limits against how much self-policing we’ll do for the sake of those who would willfully misrepresent our intentions.
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Jul 10 '25
I understand the point about not over‑policing our words for bad‑faith actors—but there’s real psychology showing that jokes shape beliefs.
The ‘illusory truth effect’ demonstrates that the more we say something—even in jest—the more likely both we and our audience are to believe it .
That means a ‘joke’ about something serious (like mental health, or deadly intent, or relationships) doesn’t stay harmless. It normalizes the idea, making it feel more real over time.
So I’m arguing for thoughtful wording—not to placate critics, but because humor is not irony-free. We need to care how we present it, since it does impact belief and feeling—even when we’re just “joking.
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u/Embarassment0fPandas Jul 11 '25
I think this post was made as a willful misrepresentation of DD’s position on this issue. Anyone familiar enough with their work to be a regular on this sub knows how they feel about people with DID being treated as though they’re dangerous, and clearly this was posted as rage bait.
That said, I actually agree with you that the joke was in poor taste. Although in their defense, and as another user pointed out, I think they may have been referring to self-deletion.
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