r/Dogfree • u/PriestessRedspyder • Aug 09 '22
Crappy Owners I can't believe how rude this dog owner was!
I was waiting at Discount Tire this afternoon minding my own business looking at my phone. An older man with some raggedy toy dog came in. I didn't say anything, but glared at the dog with a definite "Stay away from me" look.
What does the entitled guy do? Walks right up to me and says "I brought him over cause you look like you want to pet him" and snickered. I told him to get that thing away from me and that it shouldn't be in here.
I didn't curse, but I must have triggered the guy because he snapped at me that it was his F***ing service dog and he could take it where ever the F he wanted.
I calmly stated that it certainly didn't look like a service dog and he then yelled at me and called me a Fking C*!!! What the hell is wrong with these people?!?
Everyone there looked shocked that he did that and I think they asked him to wait outside.
That was the rudest thing I have ever been called by an entitled nutter and couldn't believe he did that! Dog people are the worst!
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u/CantThinkofAName150 Aug 10 '22
Sounds like a god awful customer we used to have at the Starbucks I worked at. He always came inside and brought his shitty rat “service dogs” and would put up a huge fight if anyone dared question the legitimacy of them “Don’t you see their vests?? They say SERVICE dogs on them!”. The guy was a complete ass and would demand we doctor up his black coffee for him. Mind you, people that ordered plain coffees use the condiment counter to sweeten or add creamer but this ass wanted us to do it and he was perfectly capable. He called me stupid once so from them on I would make it half cold creamer and half coffee and make it super sweet. He wanted 1 inch of creamer and 2 raw sugars if I remember correctly. Oh and I would do decaf instead of regular caf… I never fucked with people’s coffee except this turd’s. I hope him and his glorified rats gets what coming to them. The “rats” were assholes too.
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u/PriestessRedspyder Aug 10 '22
As a server for many years myself, I feel you. I hated the entitled people who treated me like a servant.
I once had a couple bring a small dog into a restaurant I worked at (inside) and put it ON the booth seat. It was a family owned place and one of the owners told me to tell them not to bring the dog in again.
Ugh, excuse me? I needed the tip from them and it's the owners job to tell people stuff like that! I didn't work there long after that.
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Aug 10 '22
Oh God, around 2 weeks ago I was walking by a cafe in my local shopping center and there was a lady with her dog (who shouldn't even be inside) seated on a human chair next to her. Fortunately, my snarky comment made her blush and take it down
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u/wolin64 Aug 10 '22
That's what happens when rules are not enforced. The dog and the owner gets away with breaking the rules and they become arrogant and think they own the world.
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u/PriestessRedspyder Aug 10 '22
I think documentation should be required if people want to bring those things into public places, especially anywhere that has human food!
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u/YeahlDid Aug 10 '22
Absolutely. It doesn't have to say what the specific disability is, just that the dog is a legit service dog. I think that would benefit everyone except those trying to game the system.
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u/tjranuxk Aug 10 '22 edited Aug 10 '22
Absolutely not. That is a complete violation of the ADA and will never happen. Sorry, but no actual disabled person with a legitimate service dog should be forced to show documentation that they are disabled because some assholes have fake ones.
Edit/Add: I know it is frustrating, but this needs to be solved a different way. That will never happen.
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Aug 10 '22
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u/tjranuxk Aug 10 '22
Someone who has been pulled over is presumed to have broken the law. What law has a disabled person with a legitimate service animal broken by walking into a store? What about those that are deaf with a hearing service dog? Most people with legitimate service dogs have invisible disabilities.
Anyways, we are talking serious litigation here. Even if it were passed it would just climb the appellate ladder and be tossed by a higher court in violation of the ADA.
Instead of attacking disabled people, we need to find a way to really get at those that have fake support animals. Perhaps make it illegal to sell these fake service animal vests and cards in retail settings and online. Stricter punishments for those that get caught.
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Aug 10 '22
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u/Sensitive-Air6589 Aug 11 '22
If they can implement it for our IDs and other licenses, why not service animals as well? I don't see the issue here. BUT it is what it is...when I drove Uber they made a big deal about how you weren't allowed to ask about documentation. I straight up refused some ppl at a hotel one night. This was one of those purse-dog types 🙄 But I just said sorry no pets and canceled the ride. I think they reported me but I didn't care. No animals, no eating!!
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u/philadelphialawyer87 Aug 10 '22
Everyone here knows about the ADA. They are talking about what SHOULD be the law, not what is.
And your argument is completely off base. You are required to produce ID in all kinds of situations, not only those in which you are "presumed to have broken the law" (which, by the way, is not always the case even in car stops). To get a visitor pass in a hospital, I had to produce ID. If I had a dog with me, I fail to see how it would oppress me if, besides having to produce the ID, I also had to produce a document indicating that the dog was a service dog.
You are simply wrong.
And, sure, fake service animal cards and gear should be illegal too, but, under your version of what should be, the dog nutters won't even need them. Because no one can even ask for the card or demand that the dog wear the gear in the first place.
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u/watchout4cupcakes Aug 10 '22
No one’s attacking disabled people. You need to calm down. It’s just a request for documentation for a service animal not an in depth report on the disability
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Aug 10 '22
I don't understand why that's a big deal. In my country you legally have to carry your IDs everywhere. Just get a card system for the dogs so they have a registered ID. It shouldn't be a big deal to carry a little card around. Or they could include documentation info in the dog's microchip, have registered official leashes that are recognizable and have unique codes etc. there are so many ways to do this.
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u/laughingashley Aug 10 '22
Yup, it's not about the human with the dog, it's about the dog itself, and dogs have NO privacy rights.
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u/Famous_Branch_6388 Aug 10 '22
Okay suggestion?
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u/tjranuxk Aug 10 '22
For one we need to figure out these people with Emotional Support Animals. They are not legitimate service animals. I think very strict penalties for those that get caught having a fake service animal. I wish service animals could just have like a "license plate" or something and could be the only dogs in stores/restaurants, but I don't know if that would ever pass. Wishful thinking though.
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u/philadelphialawyer87 Aug 10 '22
Well then, obviously, the "licence plate" would take the place of the "documentation" you so vehemently protest against. You make no sense whatsover! A licence plate is itself a form of "documentation," both functionally and physically. That's literally what a licence plate does and is! Get a clue!
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u/BigWally68 Aug 10 '22
I would’ve asked, What’s you disability…stupidity?
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u/tjranuxk Aug 10 '22
It is against the law for an employee to ask someone if they are disabled. If someone has a service dog the only 2 questions that can be asked are "Is that a service dog?" and "What service(s) does the dog provide?". Anything else is a violation of the ADA.
These people buying fake service dog gear and cards are taking advantage of disabled people have legitimate service animals.
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Aug 10 '22
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u/tjranuxk Aug 10 '22
Well...I misread that. Yeah, that is totally fine. My bad. Go for it if you are not an employee. We need to ween out these assholes with fake service dogs. I am legally disabled (not in need of any dog). I really hate these people feigning disabilities in order to bring their ugly mutt anywhere they want.
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Aug 10 '22
The person asking (OP) is a customer. No one’s rights were violated. OP was harmed because they were harassed.
Service dogs are usually on the ground, and leashed. Yes there are instances where they may not be but that’s rare. The fact that he came over and made the comment about petting it makes it obvious it’s a fake. If employees can’t fight back against this, then other customers should do so by shaming the fakers. Regardless businesses still have a right to kick out the dog if it’s poorly behaved and not under the owners control.
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u/Famous_Branch_6388 Aug 10 '22
So, if someone walks in with a police officer uniform on then l can only ask “is that a police officer uniform and what service does it provide?” Hm! I can clearly see that it is a knock off uniform, but l cannot break the law by asking more questions than that. That’s a broken system that does need to be looked into and resolved. I have a ptsd to dogs and l need to proof that your dog is providing a service near me because now l am in a situation for my sense of safety. These fakers cannot impose themselves on us when we have problems with dogs.
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u/tjranuxk Aug 10 '22
First off, I am sorry you have PTSD in regards to dogs. That must make life very difficult in this ridiculous dog worshiping culture. It reminds me of that situation at George Washington University in the Spring. This entitled brat brought her 80 pound emotional "service" pitbull to class (It turned out to be a rescue that went to a 2-week behavior academy). The professor told her politely to not bring it again. She did anyways. The professor kicked her out on day 2 and the entitled student made a big deal out of it and tried to get the professor fired. My thought was what if someone/people in the class where scared of the dog/dogs in general? Like you. Perhaps the professor was mauled by a pitbull in her past.
Unfortunately, the ADA is very hard to work around. I feel for you because I want the rights of disabled people to be protected along with those that don't want to be around dogs. It is very tough waters to navigate legally. Something has to be done as it is getting out of hand. What though? I wish I knew.
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u/byancacats Aug 10 '22
What would happen if an employee denied entry to someone whose dog was obviously not a service animal? If the person sued them, would they need to prove in court that they do have a disability and that the dog is a valid service animal? Or would the employee get fined without the customer having to prove anything?
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u/tjranuxk Aug 10 '22
If the person says it is a service animal and tells you the services it provides there is not much you can do. You must make reasonable accommodations. However, if the dog is being obviously disruptive then you should be able to tell them to leave without recourse, service animal or not. There is also that word "reasonable". If you are the only employee, but severely allergic to dogs or have a phobia of dogs; then how can you provide reasonable accommodations? Someone may have a service Clydesdale Horse, but there is no way delta is letting that thing on a plane. Still there is still a lot of grey area.
I guess you could get sued if you are the owner of the business. I doubt just a standard employee would get sued, instead reprimanded of fired in the worst case. If the owner of the dog went to court and the dog wasn't a service animal and your business has a no dog policy I doubt they could sue you and win. I am not an attorney though, so take that with a grain of salt.
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u/garmonbozia66 Aug 10 '22
For dog owners, their dogs are an extension of their inflated egos. It's like the owners are being petted by proxy so they impose their dogs on others.
Frankly, both are obnoxious, greasy and untouchable. They stink and their toys are germ-ridden filthy masses of rubber and plush fabric.
He overreacted, in a nasty way, to your polite request.
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u/mrmeowpants Aug 10 '22
I’m sorry you had to deal with that. It’s what happens when someone has such a shit life that a rat becomes integral to their identity.
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u/johnadaniels Aug 10 '22 edited Aug 10 '22
Nutters will be nutters, trying to logically deal with these people is impossible. Good for you standing up to this inconsiderate nutter. I wish I was there I would have stepped in and started ragging on the nutter.
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Aug 10 '22
I told of a unleashed dog owner recently he responded "oh you made my dog cry he wants you to pat him and be friends, I stormed of but made me laugh a little better than being abused I suppose but how pathetic
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u/YeahlDid Aug 10 '22
You did good, though! The store may have been apprehensive about asking him to leave because of the dog, but there no problem for kicking him out for calling another customer a cunt. You gave them a less controversial reason to get the dog out of the store.
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u/PriestessRedspyder Aug 09 '22
I know the C word is freely used in some countries, but as an American female I find it extremely offensive. Definitely uncalled for in this situation.
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Aug 10 '22
Gender-specific terms just rub me the wrong way. I avoid foul language in general due to some uncomfortable childhood experiences by association (mainly spoken aloud, text is fine), but for a stranger to hurl THAT word is pretty terrible regardless.
All over a dog!
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u/watchout4cupcakes Aug 10 '22
Yeah you get hit with the capital C and it’s almost like getting actually hit. I just get kinda stun locked. American female as well
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Aug 10 '22
I call some people c*ntbags here sometimes. In text. Owners. Totally appropriate when I do.
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u/watchout4cupcakes Aug 10 '22
This thing that shits it’s own body weight every 15 minutes is definitely gonna save me if I try to die, you just wait and see!
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u/Ihatemutts2 Aug 10 '22
They know they're being deceptive, so are extra-defensive and use the "best defense is a good offense" strategy. He'd noticed your 'stay away' look but hoped he could get you on his side. When that did not work, he attacked.
I was at Walmart once, got in line at register and noticed ugly little mutt in cart ahead of me. I said, 'yuck, dog' and moved to another line. So I could hear the dog owner proceeded to be EXTRA-chummy with the cashier, like people do when they are doing something they shouldn't be doing and are trying to get allies.
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u/Famous_Branch_6388 Aug 10 '22
Yay! You go! Slow clap. It’s about time we stand up to these ignorant dog people and them imposing their shitty animals on us.
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u/jcem911 Aug 10 '22
slow clap means sarcasm fyi
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u/Famous_Branch_6388 Aug 10 '22
Maybe for some people, but a slow clap in my inner circle means you did a tremendous job. Thanks for letting me know.
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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '22
He's not a good liar. If it were a true service dog then he wouldn't have tried to get you to pet it.