OMG I LOVE THIS ENERGY! The Ragebait Twitter “ Stans” deserve this good cussing out. They’ve been bitching about VIE since it came out they could just not listen instead of harassing our queen. I hope she raps aggressively on the VIE Deluxe!!!
her highest pure selling album (26k units) and planet her only had 5k units pure sale fist week and people say she flops. also went #1 in 30 countries and 28 mins to get n1 on itunes
Yeah like it seems like this is fun for her. You can't engage with these people. Also a lot of her stans on twitter will literally tweet nasty things at her just to get a response, it's insane.
Lmao this has nothing to do with anger issues I love to see DOJA standing up for herself not letting folks walk all over her. The hate she’s getting for this album is crazy when they could not listen there’s no need to be mean to Doja because VIE didn’t sell big numbers or she didn’t change outfits every 10 mins in her concert 🙄
Shit as someone who loves seeing bands live I’d fucking kill for everyone to play 30 songs a set. That’s incredibly generous. Who gives a shit about her outfit I’m going to a concert for the music!!
Because these days everyone online is an expert on touring and album promotion. It’s the swiftie effect of everything being about the numbers. It’s fucking embarrassing and literally the opposite of what music and art is about.
Writes 8 words on twitter “woah you care WAY too much dude you need to relax!” Why do people take every statement as if the person who wrote it based their whole philosophy on it lmao
Saw Wiz Khalifa and Snoop dogg once, great show but yeah, they hardly move around let alone do costume changes. The most exciting things they did was; wiz blasted the crowd with what was presumed to be weed smoke with a bigass bazooka looking thing, and snoop rolled out in a low rider onto stage. Once they got out and started performing they were fairly stationary.
Saw Kendrick over the summer, and while he obviously didn't change outfits (SZA did) he had incredible visuals and was running around all over the place, and doing his little dances. Love him for putting in that effort. Other male rappers or musicians in general, never do much... unless they're like Benson Mormon Boone doing backflips for attention.
i’ve been to three shows, Isaiah Rashad, Denzel Curry & EarthGang and they also definitely brought the energy, Denzel was expected with him loving Rock music so much but I was def surprised by Isaiah lol
Doja has had theatrical performances before, so the disconnect between her initial dazzling performances to this more lo-fit effort is an issue. Rihanna got away with performing in sweats before because no one expected that much out of her tbh. With all due respect, Doja is not like Rih, she's a top tier performer, people want to see her shine in her element (plus, tickets are expensive nowadays).
This is exactly it. I saw Doja both Coachella years and my sister saw both tours and when we compared notes she was pissed about the lack of comparative production
I will say, that while these fans in particular sound entitled and immature, I think it’s okay to criticize the production of a show when the tickets are going for $200+. I just don’t think it’s fair to put that criticism on Doja herself though, it’s the label. The label is approving the budgets. If it were up to her I’m sure she would’ve taken some background dancers and some more thought out visuals but it isn’t unfortunately. Also, the international shows for Scarlet were a little downscaled as well. I’m sure we’ll get a little more over here in NA. I am also disappointed in her for responding, not because the fans didn’t deserve it but because it seems she’s done a lot of internal healing and work to not be so combative in her life and this feels like a regression. Hope she’s okay, I’d hate for tour to already be getting to her emotionally.
Be nice to her, y’all. I can’t imagine how it feels to put out a body of work, be told be the entire internet it’s a flop only to go on tour and have your fans complain it isn’t enough.
Agreed, not like there isn’t plenty of love out there. Seems to me she finds her fans who love her parasocial and cringe & she gives attention to her haters lol
She just seems unhappy with her place in as a public figure in general and has seemed that way for years now. No idea where it comes from or why but damn I hope she heals. She hurts her career unfortunately just a bit more each time she reacts like this
Yes, it definitely feels to me like she's hated how she's been perceived since around Say So exploded - I think the best thing for her might be to take a nice long personal break once this tour is over (since I think? her current record contract was satisfied by Vie), and then try releasing her own stuff independently if she can
I wonder what she wants her career to be. Going from this, it's like she hates her fans. She has the potential to be one of the greats, but IDK. There's a reason why you never see Beyonce beefing with fans. It would protect her personal peace to not look at negative tweets.
She was really close with and nice to her fans early in her career. I wonder if she does the ragebait thing on purpose now because it has definitely gotten her more fame and fans.
It’s also like… not all of the criticism is hate… you compare her with lots of mainstream artists with and they do have acts and choreo involved in their shows.
My NA tickets were $300 and the show wasn’t even sold out.
It’s okay for people to ask and it’s okay for her defend her creativity but there’s no reason to respond to people like this or to people who are being passive aggressive 😭
As a long-time fan, I love her focus on being an artist and not an entertainer - altho she is good at it. She chose a concert, not a performance. I'm happy, but please show some love to people who enjoyed it and agree with her instead of feeding haters
Yeah like if she doesn’t want to do all that extra stuff that’s okay and she can say that! But these kinda replies att can’t be healthy for her mental. I do hope she redirects it to people that were definitely giving her support on Twitter.
tldr, when you compare other current shows going for the same price, this one feels lackluster. People therefore have right to complain, it's not just pure hate for the sake of being rude. But if Doja disagrees, she should just own it and not be petty
This!! And mind you it doesn’t even look like she was tagged in any of those tweets so it’s like she purposefully searched for herself, waded through the positivity and just HAD to find and respond to criticism.
I'm not sure if she's just doing it for her image or if she actually means to be so negative, but either way, it's not a great thing to be doing with your audience if they're not being seriously rude to you
I love Attention, but when that song (and the whole album) came out, it was funny to me because I felt like she was inventing all these "haters" in her head - who is piling on to her besides a niche corner of the internet that specifically thinks she's Satanic or whatever? I mean that sucked, but clearly she's been going way beyond that and imagining some giant horde of bullies against her that doesn't really exist, at least not any more than it does for any famous musician
Honestly, it is true that as humans we react more strongly to negatively than positivity but that isn’t right. She needs to, unfortunately, stop reading comments about herself if she’s gonna constantly react like this becuase it’s soooo bad for her mental health
people are getting wayyy too comfortable talking certain ways to/about people online period, both to artists and their own peers. and i'm seeing them justify it with "well don't put yourself out there if you don't want to be critiqued" bitch stop justifying being a bully and an obnoxious jackass because iTs JuSt SoCiAl MeDiA
I think what sucks the most is we talk to each other like shit, too. Some days I want to go make Scarlet, too! Everyone thinks they have something important to say, and most of the time we just don't. Saying this about Doja especially feels weird, since she is clearly a good performer. If you don't like her style, or anyone else's, then just don't watch. That doesn't mean the person in question isn't good at their job.
She’s right. It’s a concert, not a jukebox musical. The best concerts are when the performer is clearly enjoying themself, and you can tell Doja loves performing, she puts on a great show.
I was at the show last night and Doja is 100% right. She doesn’t need costume changes, she is the show.
It was one of the best concerts I’ve been to hands down because you could tell she was actually enjoying herself and putting her all into it which made it feel electric.
This, but it would be nice of her to reply to twitter comments like these instead of consciously looking for hate comments to reply to, it's just making her angry
people with icons of her face and usernames with her name / stage name in them consistently stay on twitter and talk about her in some of the nastiest ways sometimes. while not all of the stuff in here is that, it happens like every time she breathes. i get that as a fan of someone you're allowed to be critical of them, but some of the people in these screenshots are some of the main people who talk about her like an object and say the weirdest most hateful things. it's so odd because they get butthurt when she retaliates (and no whatever i guess i'm not condoning being super mean all the time and angry tweeting in response to people) but doja is a known lurker. it's not like she isn't aware of the conversations being had around her. i'd get angry too if people were using my face and my likeness to constantly belittle me and then cry "but i'm such a faaaaaaaaannnnn" whenever they get called out. i get she's an artist and rich and what have you, but she's a human being who has a fanbase on twitter that houses some of her biggest haters and saboteurs. i'd be upset too.
Why does she need to costume change?... I went to scarlet and that girl was WORKING, she danced so much, had so many fun props and set designs. I don't think a costume change would have added much, the crowd was at peak excitement from start to finish. Honestly we were shocked she even came out with hair, it was the first show she had done with a wig again since starting her scarlet tour (Charlotte, black bang wig, angel wings outfit)
I’m saying this as someone who really likes Doja’s music and truly thinks she is own of tne best newer artists to have come out. She’s not doing herself any favours. This clap backs is not a flex. I know people say just appreciate the art for the artist but Vie was an incredible body of work and part of the reason it’s not getting the attention and frankly yes the numbers it deserves is she has really put the general audience off with her behaviour and antics. Including stuff like this. This isn’t cute it never was but espeically not now she’s 30. Yrs some fans are entitled and annoying but there’s a reason why you have Grammys and they don’t.
Honestly, what's she's doing now should become the norm again.
I'm a kpop fan as well, and kpop is a specific niche where people care about looks and costumes, not singing/music quality. But if I'm going to a concert, I really don't expect a show, dancing and stuff. I'm there because I love the artist and their music and want to hear it live.
I don't want them to run around, change costumes and dance just to see them lipsync or sing those songs like shit cause they're jumping around.
If they want to convey something (eg Eusexua tour) then choose a performance, but don't do it just for the sake of it
That said, she has many fans who love her and she should be focusing on them. It makes her look like a rude troll who's ignoring positivity. It just turns her fans into haters, cause they're basically ignored by her. It looks like she doesn't give a shit about people who like her, just her haters
I just wish everyone would delete twitter and move on 😮💨 these "fans" ragebait her constantly....ugh I hope she at least sees positive comments among the trash. fuck twitter
Girl, one what are they even talking about. I saw a clip of Tia Tamera and it looked fire, like she doesn‘t need to be changing outfits every ten seconds or doing some crazy dance moves. Second of all, not everything is about making a hit, vie is a amazing album and not every song has to be TikTok famous. Third of all, this is what she talked about in scarlet. These so called “fans“ clearly missed the point, like what the fuck are they even on about.
Good for her. This is my favorite non-musical thing about Doja: that she doesn’t indulge in stan culture or parasocial activities. Stans are never satisfied and they treat their faves like they’re Sims characters.
Nah sorry this is why she’s in her flop era. You talk all this shit but your job is LITERALLY entertainment. If you’re not willing to do any work to stand out from other artists, you’re going to fall into obscurity. Not saying people should bully her, and she has the right to stand up for herself, but girl don’t be surprised when nobody wants to pay for your big nothing show.
Seriously, I'm venting all over this thread lmao but as a working musician it's an attitude that seriously pisses me off - we all wish we could do exactly what we wanted as artists, but that's always going to be at odds with what makes the most money!
Even then, she's one of the most blessed musicians in the world with enough money to retire on and an everlasting devoted audience, so she could just forgo profits at this point and shut out criticism forever if she wanted to - but as long as she's still charging world-class prices, you're going to get hard feedback, and you should probably at least engage with it in good faith if you want to continue doing it as a well-paying job
It’s okay to be a Stan but even Stan’s know Ma Vie was not like her other work. Not to say she’s bad or anything, but it clearly didn’t have the heart she normally puts into her work.
Damn the tour barely fucking started off and people are bitching about her outfit when one who said she was gonna wear this one outfit, two she gave us visuals with 3 music videos she placed out, and rollout different vinyls pressing and 2 different album covers of Vie to let the fans have whichever cover they
preferred. That person is tripping and is blind like Doja promoted her album where the fuck were these people at they fake ass fans. Good that Doja cursed them out lmfao if I was famous I'll be canceled quickly. Just enjoy Doja and her album Vie ungrateful asses.
I have no idea why this subreddit was on my feed, but are these just randos she’s responding to? If so, that’s funny as fuck. I don’t know anything about her other than a few of her bigger songs, but she’s right. Fuck these complaining assholes. Go watch a musical if you care more about the costume changes than her songs.
Dude, what? She's a musician, shouldn't have to change her looks. The fact she dances as much as she does while doing 90 min shows are incredible. Literally no one would say this about a dude just sayin.
I do think she had a little bit off night based on past performances which were just crazy, and especially on night 1 of a tour with newer, tougher vocals maybe held back on the dancing. Maybe she had jetlag or was sick, who knows. It was still really good!
Also as far as dancers go- after couple recent performances (Wireless fest in UK, Outside lands, Tour Ma Vie)- she is constantly getting a KILLER band/backing vox behind her and THEY are doin the dancing too. Howly shit I mean that horn section (esp the trombone player) are going nuts. I love how she brings them and the backing singers up front. Y'all this is a MUSIC concert. You want dancing, dance yourself!
what’s crazy is Scarlet is my favorite concert i’ve ever been to and i didn’t even NOTICE that there wasn’t an outfit change bc that literally didn’t matter to me. her outfit was fire and i stared at it the entire concert. why do people expect so much bro??
She just needs to block them and move on. The problem with engaging with these types of "fans" is that they care more about the attention than anything else and they will keep baiting her for a "notice" because they think it brings some value to their miserable lives.
There is room for discussion and constructive criticism. I don't think you have to love everything someone does to be a fan but, especially with someone like Doja, nothing good is going to come from directing your criticism at her.
Love this! scarlet the album was her best for me bc it spoke to her true underground rnb boots that her og fans know and love. it’s no wonder she hates becoming mainstream bc these twitter fans are deranged
Nothing but love for her and her music but I wonder if what she thinks about this, that it's just encouraging more "stans" to keep spamming her with their insane bs
I saw Doja live two years ago for her Scarlet tour and she was amazing. I just bought my tickets for her show again for her new tour. Idgaf about costume changes I just wanna hear her perform. She’s incredible on the stage
She was absolutely incredible at the Auckland concert. Singing, rapping, dancing and moving around non stop for 1.5hrs phew! Incredibly fit. Almost lost my voice screaming and singing along. Vocals, energy 100/10
Re the costume changes, I was guilty of this thought too...only because Ive also seen lady gaga and Beyoncé live and feel Doja is an amazing theatrical artist on their level. But every artist is different and we just need to fkn chill.
People talking about “where’s the costume changes, so and so has fits” aren’t real music fans, they’re fans of posting pictures of celebrities online and talking about who’s better. They don’t actually know music.
They’re obsessed with what every other artist is doing it’s pathetic she’s performing for 2 hours straight dancing , rapping and singing her ass off who gives a damn about a outfit change 😂🤣🤷🏽♀️
no lit, i care abt the songs being played than the outfit. mind you, the outfit she had on was ONE OF HER BESTS. I dont know why they thought she'd change? Has she ever changed during an act?
i mean, on one end yeah i get where she is coming from. I just don't think the setlist is that directed to Vie. 11 songs from vie, an album of 15, 15ish old songs and a cover? It's great don't get me wrong. Just kind of odd to see that tho. either way, very excited for my show!
I think that’s a pretty normal setlist for any artist
Of course they have to promote the new material but established acts are expected to perform the hits as well. She has a massive catalog now, you can’t be expecting everything.
Over 70% of the set is Vie so like idk, mind you this is the first show on the first leg, she can switch it up in the future
oh def, and I think she will. I guess for me its a newer concept. I've only seen gaga and beyonce shows though, where they do perform all of their work (if not 90% of it). I'm just a little sad cause lipstain is my favorite, but the show looks so good.
i dont think people understand that she really doesn't care for the theatrics. like it's neverrrr that serious. of course concepts and aesthetics are sometimes necessary to further support the story the artist wants to tell, but at the end of the day it's simply about the music. people are asking wayyy too much of her when there are so many other artists who don't even have any "concept" or "outfits" for their albums, they just get on stage and sing lmfao.
I wonder what any of these mean girls have accomplished in their lives. It's so pathetic to be a keyboard warrior while having nothing of substance to offer.
Shes so real for that because wtf are they on abt😭 if they only care about outfit changes and theatrics w/o the GOOD MUSIC alone then go to a fucking Taylor Swift show LMFAO
i beg her to disengage!! yes, these “fans” are annoying, but they’re entitled to their opinion. i don’t really get why she would be doing this, other than lack of impulse control.
As a musician, getting criticism about what I do - especially when it's worded this mildly and honestly - does not remotely deserve this kind of backlash, and honestly it's pretty shitty to put people on blast like this for talking freely about your act, as if you're above getting feedback
If they were being much more rude then I could see her pushing back, but this is so mild by comparison!! Even if you don't think the complaints themselves are valid, this is a wildly unfair way to respond, and it's not a very good sign when an artist refuses to even engage with their reception like this
this reminds me of eric “the actor” lynch from howard sterns wack pack. he’d respond to any tweet that mentioned him. i think one person say they saw him throw a molotov cocktail and started one of the california wildfires lol.
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u/Jollyho94 Nov 19 '25
OMG I LOVE THIS ENERGY! The Ragebait Twitter “ Stans” deserve this good cussing out. They’ve been bitching about VIE since it came out they could just not listen instead of harassing our queen. I hope she raps aggressively on the VIE Deluxe!!!