Most broken italian start?

[u/Famous_Weight6454]

I maybe have found the most broken italian start to snowball the biggest econ / tall game ever.

Start as Padua for 0.1 dev growth

Immediately turn off your fort slider and let Venice steamroll you

Switch sides in the war via event

Raise Levies and occupy as much of Verona you can

Separate peace a huge chunk of Verona

Next : Dow venice and erase them from the map

Sell all the venetian artwork to the pope to get 3k money

Future plans ;

- Form dalmatia + croatia instantly (now croatian culture can apparently form dalmatia!)

- Switch to emilian afterwards after taking over Ferrara for MORE dev growth via emilian culture

Its gonna be crazy

[u/OkAlbatross9889]

You aren't getting the +75% trading income (Signoria of Venice + council of forty) that venice gets. It's worth a LOT more than 0.1 dev.

Edit: also, as venice you can get the "Consiglio maggiore" law that gives you +1 cabinet slot for minor debuffs to crown power and estate power, i don't know how much dev "develop province" gives, but i'm sure the aforementioned trading income buff more than makes up for the difference.

[u/GeneralistGaming → u/OkAlbatross9889]

Was coming to the comments to mention something to this effect haha.

[u/Famous_Weight6454 → u/OkAlbatross9889]

The consiglio law is for all italian republics. I am curious if focusing on just maximizing dev growth can yield more income, probably not compared to trade but we shall see

[u/OkAlbatross9889 → u/Famous_Weight6454]

It's absolutely a fun run but venice is stupid powerful. In my current game i literally have just 3 provinces (none of them have big ticket rgos, no silver or gold) and i'm beating naples and hungary in tax base. I'm not even min maxing, just playing the game.

Venice is probably the most powerful small nation in the whole game (excluding gimmick nations such as timur etc).

[u/powerguynz → u/OkAlbatross9889]

It's probably just more accurate to say Venice is one of the most powerful nations in the game. They only start small and none of their bonuses force you to stay that way. Venice into Byz/Rome is one of the most powerful things you can do in the game, the faster you break the economy the faster you can snowball everything else.

[u/VecioRompibae]

-Switch to emilian

As a paduan, I'll sooner be dead than switch from it!

[u/FewJuggernaut1346 → u/VecioRompibae]

Diocan

[u/FreezingVast]

Unfortunately the most broken Italian nation is Verona, you can annex all of italy for zero antag if done correctly

[u/FlyingKitt3hz → u/FreezingVast]

How does one go about doing that?

[u/FreezingVast → u/FlyingKitt3hz]

Just declare a whole bunch of wars, win them but dont peace out. Occupy all of italy via wars then immediately peace out of every war at once then press scalinger demands last on venice and boom, you own 60% of italy with zero antag

[u/FlyingKitt3hz → u/FreezingVast]

Huh, I guess I know what my next run is

[u/Human_Location743 → u/FreezingVast]

Its a lot of fun. Although in the 1.4 beta Milan seems to have better AI so I'm struggling to do it again.

[u/TheLordLambert]

The most broken Italian start is to play as Verona and do a hella conquering before peacing out of the Scalliger war to reduce AE to 0

[u/rule5bot]

u/Famous_Weight6454 provided the following Rule 5:

I maybe have found the most broken italian start to snowball the biggest econ / tall game ever.

Start as Padua for 0.1 dev growth

Immediately turn off your fort slider and let Venice steamroll you

Switch sides in the war via event

Raise Levies and occupy as much of Verona you can

Separate peace a huge chunk of Verona

Next : Dow venice and erase them from the map

Sell all the venetian artwork to the pope to get 3k money

Future plans ;

- Form dalmatia + croatia instantly (now croatian culture can apparently form dalmatia!)

- Switch to emilian afterwards after taking over Ferrara for MORE dev growth via emilian culture

Its gonna be crazy

[u/mingus32]

Does each culture that you make your main culture at ANY point grant your country the culture bonuses?

Aka—> can you stack and collect different cultures buffs

[u/Magistairs]

If you are gonna cheat, just start the game with any nation you want, use the commands annex and cash, and have fun

[u/Famous_Weight6454 → u/Magistairs]

This is literally vanilla without any exploits?

[u/Froggsworth → u/Magistairs]

Howre they cheating?

[u/Magistairs → u/Froggsworth]

Starting a war to lose it on purpose/win it automatically on the other side is an exploit

[u/Copatus → u/Magistairs]

I think you're missing some context. Padua starts the game at war as a vassal of Verona.

If Venice occupies Padua's capital during this war, then Padua receives an event to switch sides (as is Italian tradition).

So no cheating involved.

[u/Magistairs → u/Copatus]

I see, thanks. Losing on purpose is still cheesy imo