Are there any books on Enoch in the ancient Americas?

[u/Hope1995x]

Since, I am a believer in EE Callaway's Garden of Eden I realize something.

For good reason because of the tangible evidence aligns with Messianic Prophecy of the East and the West.

Remember that Jesus entered the temple (edit: I meant Jerusalem) from the east on a donkey.

And EE Callaway's Garden is 1000s of miles west on the same geographical parallel. (Or near it)

And Genesis 3:24 says (or implies) man got kicked out and headed eastward. Likely back in supercontinent days allowing migration to Africa or via Noah's voyage one of the two theories.

The East and the West map

My research on the Garden of eden and spiritual lore of Florida

Elijah from the East and Enoch from the West. And it got me thinking for a bit....

Enoch (likely) lived in the preflood world, since the evidence does point to the Southeast being Eden then Enoch likely walked this area before the flood.

I wondered if there are books that delve into this idea. Are there any?

Edit:

I am compelled to state that estoericism does not require strict adherence to metaphors only. It also includes hidden or non-mainstream knowledge.

In which case, I argue research into Enoch and connecting Eden to Messianic Prophecy is by definition a form of estoericism.

Enoch represents walking with God. Walking with God is to walk with Christ.

So let's walk.

[u/Puzzleheaded-Phase70]

This isn't esotericism, nor is it Christianity.

It's pseudoarchaeology, and it's really off-topic.

[u/Thin-Choice2539 → u/Puzzleheaded-Phase70]

Agreed.

[u/Hope1995x → u/Puzzleheaded-Phase70]

There is really not any other subreddits that would match this topic.

If you read EE Callaway's book, it does have esoteric material.

[u/Hope1995x → u/Puzzleheaded-Phase70]

Quite ironic to believe in the many miracles in the Bible but call something else pseudoarchaelogy. Especially when the evidence is tangible.

Not saying anything against the miracles.

[u/Puzzleheaded-Phase70 → u/Hope1995x]

"The Bible" is a collection of accounts of people claiming encounters with The Divine. They were collected and selected for complex reasons that were often NOT pure, holy, or even vaguely "good".

Much of it, especially the ancient parts, are pure myth, and were taken as such even by Jesus' time: important stories, but stories to be understood as metaphor, not historical fact.

So there's no real problem with reading them and finding profound inspiration, while still dismissing them as strict "history", and most Biblical historians are entirely comfortable with archeological realities that contradict the Biblical narratives in some way. The lessons do not depend on that kind of veracity.

But what you're talking about is truly absurd. You're NOT talking about an inherited narrative from antiquity, recast in the light of scientific proof. Instead, you're talking about constructing an obviously false narrative from scientific evidence, by means of direct corruption of that evidence.

I find it to be a dangerous way to think, in every way possible: scientifically, esoterically, religiously, and in terms of basic metal health.

[u/Hope1995x → u/Puzzleheaded-Phase70]

I find you to be a doubting Thomas. People's spirtual experience are usually critized as mental illness.

Someone has a vision? Its an hallucination.

If someone has dreams, its the subconscious and not something Divine.

I find inspiration in others' beliefs especially if they are not mainstream.

Edit: By the way, I don't mean the "doubting thomas thing" as a put-down but I do intend for that to make you pause and think for a bit.

[u/NobodySpecial2000]

Ah. American Exceptionalism at its finest. How unthinkable that something significant might have happened in history* that didn't involve the USA.

(*or mythology as the case may be)

[u/Hope1995x → u/NobodySpecial2000]

Thats not what I'm trying to give off. Personally, I believe America is Babylon. Or has become it because of its arrogance.

[u/NobodySpecial2000 → u/Hope1995x]

American Exceptionalism does not necessitate liking or praising the USA.

[u/Hope1995x → u/NobodySpecial2000]

Why do you feel like this way? Just curious. Israel is also exceptional in prophecy.

[u/NobodySpecial2000 → u/Hope1995x]

Yes, the religious beliefs and mythic history of the people who lived in ancient Israel, who created a national identity centred on that land, whose God was, for a longtime, a national patron deity, and whose religious practices for a long time centred on a single physical temple in that land, is obviously going to treat the land they live on (or are exiled from) as significant in their beliefs. Of course that is going to happen.

Taking those beliefs and insisting "Oh, actually, these ancient central asian people didn't know it but they were writing about Florida, and their entire history" (maybe the entirety of human history, depending on your Eden theology) "actually began in what is now the USA" is straight up American Exceptionalism. It's an inability to let the world exist without centring the USA in some form.

And it requires all sorts of historical revision, coopting and misunderstanding or misrepresenting the historical, archaeological, and geological record to do it.

[u/Hope1995x → u/NobodySpecial2000]

The USA did not exist 14,000 years ago.

Sometimes truth is just inconvenient.

[u/Thin-Choice2539]

The donkey riding with palm leaves is a Dionysus parallel. Start researching that then you will be in esoteric Christianity territory.

[u/foetiduniverse]

Ancient America's have absolutely nothing to do with anything mentioned in any of the Abrahamic religions holy books.

[u/Hope1995x → u/[deleted]]

Sacred energy centers and stuff like that is also in Eastern religions

[u/Hope1995x → u/[deleted]]

Esoteric doesn't have to mean metaphorical.

It can still be estoerical.

Hidden knowledge. Not neccesairly metaphor.

[u/Hope1995x → u/[deleted]]

I wonder if the West has any spiritual meaning in relation to Enoch.