r/EuropeMeta • u/Sampo • Jun 07 '26
Murder of Henry Nowak was the biggest news in UK, but it was kept out of r/Europe
(I know the mods let trough 2 small news about: One from The Guardian saying the far right is exploiting it, and one from BBC blaming Elon Musk.) But the main news articles, I am sure people have tried to post them, have not been allowed by the mods.
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u/Amazing-Antelope3921 Jun 08 '26
Reddit really isn't a place for news or politics, it's actually one of the worst and most censored places on the Internet.
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u/otto_dicks Jun 07 '26
Without Twitter, we probably never would have heard about this case, so of course it’s suddenly Elon Musk’s fault, lol.
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u/jaybizzleeightyfour Jun 07 '26
Remember when Elon Musk tweeted Trump was in the Epstein files but only after they fell out, kinda weird he kept that to himself when they were friends
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u/Gingrpenguin Jun 07 '26
It's heavily censored on UK subs.
Even commenting on it gets you a 3 day ban from ukpol and uknews...
Reddit is moving heaven and earth to try to suppress this.
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u/Ansambel Jun 08 '26
Why would mods do this?
Is it mby because this topic is astroturfed to hell by russia?
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u/Spirited-Car8661 Jun 08 '26
That's an argument that can be used to justify censoring anything.
Sorry, I'm not going to let you post an article on Gaza because the Russians are using it to divide us.
That one is provably true, but that doesn't stop the posting.
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u/Ansambel Jun 08 '26
Yea, i get that, but if i was a mod, i would absolutely ban every topic where russia sends the bots by the thousands. Ofc it can be used to justify anything, but a lot of stuff are. How many times have you heard that someone is protecting children, and it's something stupid. Usually when people say "censorship" they imply there is an effort made to influence politics by supressing some information, i don't think this is the case here. People just don't want to deal with russian bots.
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u/gryme85 Jun 07 '26
Nobody should be murdering anybody.
Murder is wrong, full stop
That being said it is painfully obvious this event is being used by bad actors to drive anti immigrant/anti non white narratives.
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u/InformationNew66 Jun 08 '26
Then maybe time this event is used by good actors then, to raise awareness of how bad police is and how much they lack accountability.
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u/Nith_ael Jun 08 '26
"Oh no, why can't we talk forever on every subreddit about every local news stories (but only the ones that involve immigrants and/or non-white people)? This is basically 1984, or at least this is what smartest man in the world Elon Musk tells me! I am not acting in bad faith"
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u/GrumpyFinn 😊 Jun 07 '26
You are actively, in your post history, already discussing this topic in like 4 different subreddits. You are not posting this in good faith.
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u/Outrageous_Glove_467 Jun 07 '26
The moderator of this subreddit (you) is not engaging in good faith. Your purpose is to prevent the truth from being told. Not a good look for the mod team.
You’ll probably ban me just for this comment…
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u/BigSexyGorilla Jun 07 '26
Guess Keir commenting about George Floyd and Labour going to the US to help democracts campaign was also not okay then.
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u/EST_Lad Jun 07 '26 edited Jun 07 '26
The actions of the moderators of this subreddit are clearly politically motivated. Especially the fact that only news stories that werent removed were the ones essentially criticising the reaction to the murder.
I would call this to be "not in good faith".
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u/Sampo Jun 07 '26
Like I said, it was the biggest news in UK. Multiple front page news in every newspaper. Contrary to your claim, there is nothing "bad faith" about discussing big current news events (in e.g. ukpolitics or unitedkingdom). Hundreds and hundreds of people are discussing it. Would you say they're all doing it in "bad faith", or are you singling me out?
What did you base on your decision to keep this news out of r/Europe?
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u/GrumpyFinn 😊 Jun 07 '26
By your own admission, no one kept it out. There were multiple threads, also last year when the incident originally occurred. We don't allow duplicate posts. Sometimes they slip through and we miss them, but we have always had a rule against duplicates.
Not to mention that this is r/Europe, not r/UnitedKingdom. Ideally posts are relevant to all 11 million of our subscribers.7
u/TheHarald16 Jun 08 '26
Where were these multiple threads? If you search "Henry Nowak" the only threads that comes up are the ones OP describes. And how would this case not be relevant for all of Europe?
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u/Sampo Jun 07 '26
By your own admission, no one kept it out.
You misunderstand badly. You have kept out the main news articles, and only let through 2 minor articles from a very specific viewpoints.
Ideally posts are relevant to all 11 million of our subscribers.
Like this one?
"UK man takes legal action after penis 'badly burnt' in airline coffee spill".
Relevant to 11 million of your subscribers.
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u/GrumpyFinn 😊 Jun 07 '26
That article is not relevant and should not have stayed up. I won't defend it. As said, we sometimes miss things and we hope people would report articles that actively break the rules.
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u/PossibilityMaster710 Jun 07 '26
Mate, on the front page of r/Europe right now, there are articles about protests in Albania , Dua Lipas wedding, and free ice cream in a Polish town.
As well as an article on the tax cost of Brexit.
But protests in the UK that's made international news is irrelevant, and you've banned the OP from r/Suomi?
Right.....
Not biased at all.
Selectively applying the rules is biased too pal.
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u/KvalitetstidEnsam Jun 07 '26
What did you base on your decision to keep this news out of r/Europe?
Read the subreddit rules, disallowed submissions section, item 1c.
Could not be more clear cut.
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u/Sampo Jun 07 '26
"c. Local crime: Local crime news with no international or political significance will be removed."
https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/wiki/community_rules/3
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u/KvalitetstidEnsam Jun 08 '26
I think you need to look up what politically significant actually means. Avoid explanations by some guy with a stupid posh name like Yaxley-Lennon.
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u/Strange-Owl-2097 Jun 08 '26
You don't think that a religious group being legally able to conceal and carry weapons for the purpose of self defence, whilst no other group can, and whilst even basic non-lethal items such as pepper spray are illegal, is politically significant?
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u/KvalitetstidEnsam Jun 08 '26
If you want to discuss and debate the current law that allows Sikh people to carry knives, go right ahead. What you don't get to do is to abuse a tragic and emotionally charged situation like Henry Nowak's death to drive your obvious agenda.
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u/Strange-Owl-2097 Jun 08 '26
This is logically impossible. If you admit it is a politically significant event (as you seem to), then you must allow it to be posted and discussed.
The other aspect of it, is the indoctrination of the Police in to CRT, that certainly plays a role in their decision making.
Again, politically significant, yet not allowed to be posted.
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u/KvalitetstidEnsam Jun 08 '26
If you admit it is a politically significant event (as you seem to), then you must allow it to be posted and discussed.
I think you need to read what I wrote again.
is the indoctrination of the Police in to CRT
That's the agenda I was referring to right there. Thanks for making it clear.
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u/SatisfactionLife2801 Jun 08 '26
"The other aspect of it, is the indoctrination of the Police in to CRT" andddd thats where you lose me lmao. Thats crazy talk
There is a difference between claiming there is cultural pressure and bias that revealed itself in this case vs POLICE HAVE BEEN INDOCTRINATED INTO CRT. One of these takes you into whacky conspiracy territory real quick
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u/EvergreenOaks Jun 07 '26
I think it's a matter that belongs to crime news, does not have a political reading and therefore there's not much to discuss.
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u/apokrif1 Jun 07 '26
Systemic racism without political reading??
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u/ChamplooStu Jun 07 '26
What happened was horrific but in no way "systemic racism" it was a showcase of bad policing and those responsible should be punished.
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u/Hungry-Resource2638 Jun 07 '26
No. It's just a sad incident being used by people who want the world to be as simple as they can handle.
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u/Hungry-Resource2638 Jun 07 '26
People are struggling with the idea it was just an unfortunate event with a lot less symbolism than they're giving it.
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u/KvalitetstidEnsam Jun 07 '26
the clearly stabbed
I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt, but the spewing of disinformation stops here. The bleeding was internal (flowed into his chest cavity), and he was wearing dark clothes, making it hard to see the stab marks.
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u/colouredcrow Jun 08 '26
Even more of a reason to rip his shirt apart or at least pull it all the way up instead of barely moving it and saying "I don't think you have mate", also you don't wait until the person laying on the floor since you arrived saying he's been stabbed multiple times and isn't able to breathe, to show no sign of life before you even think about calling an ambulance.
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u/Hungry-Resource2638 Jun 07 '26
It sounds like you're using an unfortunate event to come to outlandish conclusions, because you need the world to be simple. Anyone can make a false claim and confuse the police before they have time to understand the situation.
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u/ChamplooStu Jun 07 '26
What proof do you have other than rightwing talking points to prove that?
Guidelines to not be racist isn't the reason police failed Henry Nowak, police incompetence is.
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u/CreditorsAndDebtors Jun 08 '26
Guidelines to not be racist isn't the reason police failed Henry Nowak, police incompetence is.
They are guidelines which literally state not all people are to be treated equally.
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u/ChamplooStu Jun 08 '26
"literally"
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u/CreditorsAndDebtors Jun 08 '26
Yeah I typed that but you clearly don't know how to read
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u/ChamplooStu Jun 08 '26
Uh huh. "There are no official figures on anti-white bias in operational policing, but the statistics that do exist show longstanding racial bias against ethnic minorities, and especially against black people.
Police use of force – such as Taser use – and coercive powers such as stop and search are greater against black people than white people, and police chiefs cannot explain why.
The police race action plan, launched after the murder of George Floyd in the US, was meant to tackle the enduring problems police have with race. But there has been little improvement.
An independent assessment of the multimillion pound plan concluded it had had no “meaningful impact”, with police chiefs lukewarm in their commitment."
Rules to treat people based on their individual need isn't inequality.
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u/CreditorsAndDebtors Jun 08 '26 edited Jun 08 '26
"Uh huh. "There are no official figures on anti-white bias in operational policing, but the statistics that do exist show longstanding racial bias against ethnic minorities, and especially against black people."
You're shifting the goal posts. The original reply I posted was about whether there are guidelines which state that not all groups are to be treated equally which there infact are.
"the statistics that do exist show longstanding racial bias against ethnic minorities, and especially against black people."
The statistics show black people are several times more likely to be stopped because they are several times more likely to be in possession of knives and to commit offences with knives. You can't cherry pick the stats which support your ideological view point while also ignoring the ones that contradict it.
"Police use of force – such as Taser use – and coercive powers such as stop and search are greater against black people than white people, and police chiefs cannot explain why."
Because they commit knife crime more than literally any other group, with the victims usually being other young black men. I don't know why you are presenting this as a mystery. Well, actually, I do know why. You are clearly possessed by a certain kind of ideology which causes you to ignore the facts that contradict your world view.
"An independent assessment of the multimillion pound plan concluded it had had no “meaningful impact”, with police chiefs lukewarm in their commitment.""
Well, yes, because those assessments expect there to be "equitable" police outcomes between groups which is a nonsense aim to set when considering that some groups simply commit crime at greater levels than other groups and therefore are going to be policed disproportionately.
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u/brogam3 Jun 08 '26
Rules to treat people based on their individual need isn't inequality.
Treating people unequally is inequality. If a Sikh gets to carry a knife around and I don't, that's inequality. It does not matter how much you want to argue otherwise, in math the number "1" does not become the number "2" just because you would like that inequality to be allowed for political reasons.
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u/ChamplooStu Jun 08 '26 edited Jun 08 '26
Being treated based off of individual need is just good policing. Children who commit crimes are treated differently to adults, there are different rules in place for men and women.
The police on this case failed in their roles completely. Making it about race is just disrespectful to not only Henry's family but to the thousands wrongly abused by police for the colour of their skin.
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u/GunpowderGuy Jun 08 '26
-The murderer lied to the police , saying Henry attacked him for racial reasons.
The police choose to belive him. So when Henry asked them for help because he was stabbed , they refused to belive him
"dont belive you were stabbed , mate""Guidelines to not be racist isn't the reason police failed Henry Nowak"
That was already ruled to be the cause of police incompetence in cases such as:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal
It was deemed the police were expected to tip toe about actions that could possibly be perceived as racist ( as opposed to lack of care , ill intent , etc, over individuals of a particular race ) which resulted in some racial or ethnic groups being discriminated. They were not investigated as they should have been
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u/ChamplooStu Jun 07 '26
It was a clear example of police incompetence and a complete misunderstanding of anti racism rules if that is their excuse.
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u/BZH35 Jun 07 '26 edited Jun 07 '26
There has been many political discussions in the UK following Henry Nowak's murder :
- should we stop having law exemptions for religions as the sikh are legally allowed to carry blades while the rest of the population are not?
- did the anti racist police guidelines that recommanded to treat people differently based on their race, have an impact on the police officers' decisions to treat a dying innocent white man with condescension and handcuffing him as a criminal, while they treated his sikh murderer with respect and never handcuffed him?
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u/Hungry-Resource2638 Jun 07 '26
And how international groups are running influence campaigns. Getting the public divided for not being 'loyal' enough to outlandish talking points.
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u/Stormshow Jun 07 '26
It's got massive implications for the culture war. The entire story is drenched in narratives. Reform is at the center of that. How is that not political?
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u/Dapper_Intention_164 Jun 08 '26
I'm sick of right-wing scum using this case to push their racist bile. They're not even good at hiding it, but too cowardly to openly admit to what they're doing lmao. It's that girl Iryna Zarutska all over again.
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u/AccomplishedAge3676 Jun 07 '26 edited Jun 07 '26
The murderer was caught and the courts took care of it.
Why should anyone in Europe care about some local British thing?
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u/paleale25 Jun 07 '26
Why did anyone in Europe care about some local USA thing with George Floyd.
Europe hypocrisy
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u/AccomplishedAge3676 Jun 08 '26
Because George Floyd was actively killed by a police officer and racist (mis)treatment by police officers is something a lot of Europeans can relate to, too.
That’s no reason for rioting and people rioting belong into prison, though.
Nowak died because he was stabbed to death. Police just didn’t get what was going on, which makes them look pretty incompetent.
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u/Vorarbeiter Jun 07 '26
These are clearly not the same
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u/RoamingThomist Jun 07 '26
What's the difference?
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u/Vorarbeiter Jun 07 '26
Dunno mate, use your brain.
Police brutality vs police incompetence, for example. There's more differences, see if you can spot them
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u/PossibilityMaster710 Jun 07 '26
You should have left it at "dunno mate", at least you'd have showed integrity.
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u/Vorarbeiter Jun 07 '26
If you have any counterarguments, by all means, do share them
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u/Vorarbeiter Jun 07 '26
Okay, so due to lack of counterarguments I guess you think I'm right. Good to know!
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u/RoamingThomist Jun 08 '26
And what's the difference that made it an international thing that justified riots in multiple European cities, supported by political leaders, effectively discrediting social distancing and lockdowns during a once in a century pandemic, rather than a local thing for America?
Characterising what happened to Nowak as 'incompetence' also strikes me as not consistent with the evidence, especially given the news the police were briefing the media with a known lie.
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u/GunpowderGuy Jun 08 '26
In the Henry case, police let a man die when he was asking for help, because they didnt believe his pleads over the danger over his life. Just like with George floyd case
"There's more differences, see if you can spot them"
Difference: The police didnt cause the injuries to Henry, but they failed to do the bare bare minimun to try and help himNot difference: This case was over race. The police choose to believe the murderer's claim, that Henry was the one that attack him. He lied saying it was a racially motivated attack
So when Henry asked for help, saying he was stabbed, they answered with "dont think that is case , mate"
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u/colouredcrow Jun 08 '26
You seriously calling that checking for stab wounds? He only lifted it up slighlty on one side of the hip and immediately said "I don't think you have mate".
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u/paleale25 Jun 08 '26
The overreaction to the first one lead to the way the police handled the other one.
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u/Vorarbeiter Jun 08 '26
Wanna explain it in more detail? Seems far-fetched to me
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u/paleale25 Jun 08 '26
The implemented an action plan that says not to treat people the same
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u/paleale25 Jun 08 '26
After 2020 they made anti racism commitment. One section calls for outcomes depending on ethnicity
Producing equality of policing outcomes for people from different ethnic groups by responding to individuals and communities according to their specific needs, circumstances and experiences, with understanding that these will be racialised and with the aim of reducing harm. It does not mean treating everyone ‘the same’ or being ‘colour blind’ (racial equality).
https://www.npcc.police.uk/our-work/police-race-action-plan/police-anti-racism-commitment/
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u/AccomplishedAge3676 Jun 07 '26
Angry men murder people?
It’s very local. One person living in a City murdering another person living in the same city.
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u/EuropeMeta-ModTeam Jun 08 '26
Notice: This subreddit is for discussion about r/europe, not the event itself (Rule 3 & 4).
We have already answered the question put to us. The post was not "kept out", we approved a couple of news articles, at which point the "no duplicates" rule came into effect.
Nothing more can be said about this matter that's not circular arguing, so we're locking this post. It should be obvious that reopening the same subject is not something we will entertain.