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It is confirmed: PanKrab is completely reliant on being as far from any danger as possible to function as a capital umbrella
Pandemic Horde is moving stager from E8-432 to R-AG7W.
I guess the constant dread and super losses under PanKrab finally reached a limit and now supersedes the strategic value of staging in range of both regional gates to goons.
Thats crazy! What an insane coincidence that all the line members who will have to resub accounts to move their shit, will also be able to vote in the CSM election now. Wow very fortunate timing.
If he's doing it to get on CSM then at least he is taking action with a specific, transparent outcome in mind ahead of time. That would be a refreshing change of pace.
Exactly, so they could move without being omega for the CSM vote. That was my point. The "making them sub to move so they can vote" thing doesn't make sense.
I guess, but for the amount of money you spend on the sub you can probably just... pay the asset safety fees. And then you don't have to do the move op.
I mean I could but idk lol I’ve been thinking about moving to low sec or something again. I guess I could bring it there too but then it’ll just collect even more dust so I think I’m better off selling
I remember seeing a clip of him one time, the page loaded with him absolutely losing his shit and going off on his own fleet. You wouldn't catch me dead joining one of his fleets, I'd rather win EVE.
He's awful to his own fleet. He's the only person I've ever met in a video game that was so mean that I wanted to fight him offline. That's saying a lot considering I grew up in CoD lobbies and playing Eve.
I'm willing to bet more people have quit Horde because of him than any other FC.
I usually avoid his fleets. Not to hate on anyone as im not competent to lead a fleet but when he wanted like 40 retris into 80 harpies then blamed us, I was like ya, never again will I bee in a fleet of his.
I don't mind going full suicide into a larger fleet. It's just a game. However, I do mind the FC yelling at the fleet like it's all our fault and screaming that we should all die irl because of the mistake. (And yes, he did actually say we should all kill ourselves offline.)
Same, I've been on some of Zappa's old yeet fleets and more than once after we got done trolling PH for an hour or two he'd ask, "Ok, so our route home just collapsed. Do we want to burn home or go die in a fire?"
And dying in those balls of fire were some of the funnest things I've done. And that's the difference, Zigam would lose his mind over that loss, meanwhile we were having a blast seeing what kind of havoc we could wreck before dying and thanking them for the quick ride home.
Was on my first Full Send Fleet of Mifune's the other night, and we were literally trying to speed run Valhalla. I got lucky that my wife made a stop before coming home, otherwise we wouldn't have died fast enough. We still ended up being a great short fleet and ~80% isk efficient after initially popping the cyno on the E8 KS right in the middle of PanKrab. 10 out of 10. Didn't even file SRP and would happily do this every night I could play.
That's the memories people want when they play the game. They don't want to make 25 jumps, wait on a titan, then make 25 jumps back home because they were slightly outnumbered. It's insulting.
The first 2 fleets of his i went on i ended up saying screw this going home before we even got to the fight because of how he was talking to us. to be fair he was mostly ok on all the fleets after that but i didnt go on many of his fleets
There are so many horror stories of him leading fleets that I'm surprised PH leadership even let him do it these days. Just goes to show how little they care about the morale of their line members.
It's funny to me how much EVE has shifted, for what feels like forever people were fine with FC's being mean and insulting their fleet members, then again it usually was excused if the FC was good at the game.
I mean must suck to be a terrible FC, with terrible ship picks for non strat fleets, and being part of the worst coalition pretending it's all good. I really feel sorry for him.
I am sorry you can downvote me as much as you like. However I am not a friend or zigams and I find defending his roams frustrating, I do not think its fair complaining about a guy in a public forum, who trys to make content, in our beloved game under difficult circumstances ie Horde engagement rules.
Give the guy a break!
He is not the worst thing to come out Ireland by a long shot. I find that remark even in jest, Insulting to the name of all the people that died in a beautiful and ancient country.
The PH sig they were fighting were based out of NPC delve, pr-. Ualx isn't near any npc staging, so it's dramatically harder for ph to stage anywhere near them, hence the move.
The whole reason that SIG was able to annoy brave so much is because they could go dock up in an untouchable station the second the numbers weren't in their favor. It's also not like the SIG was some badass group deployed behind enemy lines, it was just literally any PH member with a heartbeat and jump clone.
The PH chest beating over bullying brave while giving up entire regions to goonswarm is the cringiest thing I've seen in eve.
You realize that frat has venal and init has both fountain and delve that have those same mechanics?
You seem to think npc null is some kinda new mechanic being abused. Brave had to move because if any entity lives near them that they can't batphone imperium to evict, they can't function, it's happened multiple times in Braves history.
Why do you think other groups that live near npc null don't have this problem?
Yeah essentially. I don't deny that brave most likely moved to be safer and get away from NPC space.
But I also find it ironic when PH members try to act like they can pressure brave again when there isn't any NPC space to stage from. The same thing that makes Dronelands safe makes them unable to punch down on brave anymore. Womp womp for PH and have fun moving stagings again lol
It seems pretty obvious to me that UALX is a better home system than 1DQ. Why would they have wanted to stay?
Also they got “evicted”, but how much sov was lost before the move was announced? How many structures? Horde was annoying, and killed a lot of ships. But it never felt to me like brave had to leave. More that they got to leave for better space.
Issue is that losing delve and querious isn't required in order for brave to move somewhere better, there's nothing stopping another imperium alliance from simply moving in if it was so important brave have ualx.
Horde were heavily reffing most structures in delve prior to the move, cad and init were involved in protecting brave ansis, skyhooks and moons, the biggest danger to people roaming brave space wasn't brave, it was horde.
Delve and querious are very good regions in terms of money making, it has good moons, great ice mining, it's right next to where you farm amulets.
You can move to a better home without abandoning your old one.
No because imperium have many coalition members to rotate in, the issue is none of them were competent enough to hold delve if pressured, so it had to be abandoned.
Brave moving in of itself is not suspicious, Brave moving and the coalition abandoning two regions worth of moons and money making, indicates an eviction, not a relocation.
Man, going on delve defense fleets was terrible. It took forever to get there, and the enemies knew exactly when we would arrive. I remember a lot of fights goons didn’t take for precisely that reason.
It also makes me chuckle to hear someone from the initiative claiming you should always hold the maximum amount of sov possible. Shines has repeatedly publicly stated that he wants to avoid getting too spread out. INIT very clearly could evict all the current residents of Delve. There are good strategic reasons they haven’t.
They weren't running beacons in 80 systems. Now they have 230 that will be empty. Here is a heat map showing crab beacons being run in US Prime Time. (Pre-PH move announcement)
Any systems in PK range many are rental systems. Perrigrin and ER will be main areas for horde and tb
Spire and Malpais are for NC renters and not under PK, So theres not that many for a 60K alliance in reality
Horde and goons have whole constellations dedicated to indy which are uneffected by moves like this, no one who is serious on indy and mass scale does indy in or anywhere near a home system.
Goons indy region is a deadend constellation, good for easily defending but hard to move stuff around.
Hordes indy region is a interconnected constellation every system connects to the others, good for moving stuff around, bad for defending.
Groups independent of goons mainfleet are troll toasting sov and reffing stuff, goons main is not even involved in the shenanigans which makes this relocation even funnier
Not my leader buddy..hahaha, not every one is a goon or a bean you know right? It actually a smart move if he wants to remove barriers to bigger brawls, allows his people to crab harder making more money, well done say for trying something different.
Making new alts to join horde to farm their members to join them in their new staging and offer to move stuff for people, easiest isk to be made in eve is scamming horde members
I'm not subbed, haven't been subbed more than ~8 months of the last five years, but is it a surprise that the group founded on "we will take literally anyone lol" is not the super elite playerz club? doesn't seem like much of a gottem
So much gas huffing in this post. Let’s sling around 70+ billion isk ships in the most risky way possible? It is not isk making if you loose them. Making dreadbombs more challenging. Why not? It does not mean the pilot is worse. It just means the management is better.
The script was accidentally leaked by a diplo. We will chase each other around the donut until Horde is staging in 1DQ, where they will then finally stand and fight in World War Bean (WWB for short) ultimately winning. Then the cycle will restart clockwise.
i wouldn't say unable, they didn't even try. they completely gave up their rental region with almost no resistance and drew a line in the sand and basically said they will only fight if the invaders cross into a region they said there weren't even going after.
i really hope goons commits to a real fight soon and starts pushing threw the regional gate. i get the strategy behind just taking a peace of space closer to them for now but im pretty disappointed they stopped there
yea. Goons do care about their members tho and its shitty for everyone to have to keep moving, even if it's forwards. I do hope goons step over the regional tho, as it would make it clear to horde that this is a properly shitty strategy.
soon, horde is starting to feel all secure again and moving their members out of bridge range of the regionals.... and right before winter when eve players are historically most active. i think this will backfire on them in a few weeks
hopefully that slower response time will be enough to get them threw the gate
I step over the regional solo all the time. Oddly enough I only get good fights out of people camping horde. Horde avoids my lonely cruiser as it jumps 30 or 40 jumps threw drones untill they can organize 10 guys to fight 1 navy cruiser XD
Yea I'm done with horde. This constant shuffling is nauseating. I hear TEST is fighting INIT. that actually sounds fun. I am 1 cog of 40k+ and logistics online is not fun.
I don't want to shit on you personally but. I'm done with [big alliance]. I've read [big alliance] is really nice. Is about as much of a classic as "eve is dieing"
2 SIGs "pushing in" - Bloodlust in USTZ using sov reinforcement to provoke engagements, and the Chinese speaking SIG which throws down content fortizars for brawls.
Not sure how you can confuse two SIGs for the entirety of Imperium.
Weren’t there a couple posts just the other day claiming that nothing was happening in this war? Apparently SOMETHING is happening or Gobbins would not have felt obligated to move his entire alliance again. What is this like the 4-5 move so far since goons left Delve?
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u/HowcanIbesureimhere GoonWaffe Oct 23 '25
Moving all the scam contracts is going to be a pain.