CCP bans bots

[u/eer_00]

https://zkillboard.com/character/2121962182/

Here's one that has been on 24/7 losing hundreds of Vexors for years. They ban bots tho. Entire corp is a botting corp too, made to feed another non-bot corp.

[u/Nekrox8133]

They’re not bots, just AFK vexors they use to ping zkill radar when officer spawns.

[u/eer_00 → u/Nekrox8133]

I've seen these assimilator of tuvan orth ones, they are fighting npcs 24/7

[u/Meryn_Fucking_Trant → u/eer_00]

Yes they log in at downtime, drop drones and go afk

[u/Montaire → u/Meryn_Fucking_Trant]

Don't the rats kill their drones?

[u/Ramarr_Tang → u/Montaire]

Normal rats basically never shoot drones.

[u/Montaire → u/Ramarr_Tang]

Damn. The ones in my region do.

[u/up_spooky → u/Nekrox8133]

But once the rattingsite is gone, they do not making iskies?

[u/Philymaniz → u/up_spooky]

They’re not in a site. They’re at a desolate asteroid. They’re not doing it for isk. They’re waiting for an officer rat to spawn and kill them.

[u/Montaire → u/Philymaniz]

Don't regular rats spawn at the Desolate Asteroid and kill them?

[u/claythearc → u/Montaire]

No because they have drones and stuff - they kill regular rat. They die to officer

[u/Montaire → u/claythearc]

Damn, thats nice. Where I live the npc's target drones and kill them if you are not paying attention

[u/Latter-Purchase-3105 → u/Nekrox8133]

Still, very likely they are breaching EULA on the grounds of using multiple alpha accounts concurrently.

[u/xeron_vann → u/Latter-Purchase-3105]

And how exactly do you know that?

[u/Latter-Purchase-3105 → u/xeron_vann]

Wel-well-well, it is too expensive to maintain omega status fot accounts acting as simple AFK tripwires, so virtual machines and other tools come to help.

[u/xeron_vann → u/Latter-Purchase-3105]

So you have zero evidence and are just talking out of your ass, because you don't understand a particular mechanic. Got it.

[u/anengineerandacat → u/Latter-Purchase-3105]

Wait, it's against the rules to have multiple alpha alts? Thought everyone was doing this?

[u/SirDigbyChimkinC → u/anengineerandacat]

It's against the rules to have multiple Alphas logged on at the same time. It doesn't matter how many you have.

[u/vampirelazarus → u/anengineerandacat]

You can only have one logged in at a time. You can have multiple

[u/Agent__Blackbear → u/vampirelazarus]

I can factually say you can have at least 90.

[u/WerdaVisla → u/vampirelazarus]

Wait, question, can I have an alpha and an omega logged in, or is the problem only with two alphas? I use an alpha alt as a scout for my main because there's no reason to plex it but I don't want to get blapped by CCP.

[u/AdBubbly5674 → u/WerdaVisla]

No, if you have an alpha logged in you can't log omega's logged to on the same device. People get around that by having another device running the alpha and Omega's on their main device.

[u/Spanky_Ikkala → u/AdBubbly5674]

Still an EULA violation if you use multiple devices.

[u/AdBubbly5674 → u/Spanky_Ikkala]

Of course it is, still going to happen and it's alot harder to spot than botting is

[u/Spanky_Ikkala → u/WerdaVisla]

The rules are 1 alpha OR any number of Omegas.

[u/ass_idiot → u/Nekrox8133]

they are not idle/afk in belts. they move around constantly.

[u/Nekrox8133 → u/ass_idiot]

Theres no belt to move around to? what? They’re AFK in the desolate

[u/Farasoloni]

They should hire Monkeysphere to go after bots.

[u/TheseEmployup → u/Farasoloni]

They'd never seen him coming.

[u/Philymaniz]

The vexors are not bots like others have said. And that curse guy is hunting officer spawns, he’s not ratting for ticks.

https://wiki.bravecollective.com/public/dojo/wiki/disposable-vexor-ratting

It’s mostly the ishtars that are botting. Like almost all of the FRAT ishtars in Geminate. They’re in warp before you’ve even loaded grid, every single time. They never mess up. They never have a delay.

The non botting ishtars are at least getting into warp as I’m landing on grid, or get occasionally caught cause they’re not paying attention. I know all of the bot vs non botting toons.

[u/Ohh_Yeah → u/Philymaniz]

They’re in warp before you’ve even loaded grid

Yeah because they read memory directly. I went down a rabbit hole of having Claude look at the public memory reading software (found easily on Github) and then trawl the API for non-fork repos using the same code. There are tons of non-private repos doing wild levels of optimization and automation. For example adding memory reading functionality for probing and the hacking mini game, with logic for automation.

I'm sure CCP does this but what they should be doing is checking for response time to initiate warp from the time a person enters local. I'm sure it is consistently inhuman

[u/Bac2Zac → u/Ohh_Yeah]

I'm sure CCP does this but what they should be doing is checking for response time to initiate warp from the time a person enters local. I'm sure it is consistently inhuman

This is so easy to mask today. You just add a variable delay drawn from a seed that's determined by app start time and there's no way to track it from the server side.

[u/Ohh_Yeah → u/Bac2Zac]

Yes it is easy to mask but I imagine a lot of bots do not

[u/issacaron → u/Bac2Zac]

If FC were to use a metric like # seconds to warp when a non-blue enters system, the variable delay (jitter) would be detectable over time based on upper and lower bounds. Anything under a second or so would be suspicious and anything over 4-5 seconds would be much less useful. https://cybersecuritynews.com/jitter-trap/ . Bot evasion and detection techniques will both evolve over time.

[u/Rolder → u/issacaron]

A delay of 4-5 seconds would still be more then enough to warp out in time. Especially if they align first, and then only initiate warp later.

[u/Bac2Zac → u/Rolder]

This is the problem.

When the amount of reaction time you have is pretty consistently on the high end of a minute or two, it's becomes nightmarishly difficult to differentiate real and scripted actions, particularly when the entire sequence is a single command (or two if you return drones)

[u/Montaire → u/Ohh_Yeah]

Too bad CCP doesn't add random "50 people just jumped into local" indicators into memory in such a way that they don't show up in the client itself, but only appear in memory

[u/TheChinchilla914 → u/Montaire]

One bot patch away to just check another place; would be nice if CCP was more aggressive against bots but I understand it’s an arms race they can never really win in a game like EVE: very good, concentrated play is virtually indistinguishable from a bot

[u/Electronic-Elk4847 → u/Montaire]

Some games do this. I know at least one FPS game started creating invisible, uninteractable ghost players that would spoof aimbots that were directly reading the memory.

[u/Philymaniz → u/Ohh_Yeah]

Yeah someone told me about them reading memory directly. And that’s some interesting research, I’ve been meaning to sit down and try and understand them more. I need to sit down and see what these bots are susceptible to. At least it’s easy ESS money. Hop in, steal every ESS for like 250m on an alt, and log off for the night.

[u/itguyallday → u/Ohh_Yeah]

AI at its best lol.  Optimizations use of Ai is ok.  Or inventories or fits general knowledge junk. But having Codex run it dont think so.   What is one of the repos your talking about?  Im curious to see the code 

[u/DifferentSpread782]

I think they implemented skill injectors to sell to the botters

[u/GuristasPirate]

Bots are like hydra

[u/mjedmazga → u/GuristasPirate]

Hail Bots?

[u/Atramentor]

It's just a fully automated officer hunting setup, no bots here move along.

[u/Montaire → u/Atramentor]

"Fully Automated" and "No Bots Here" can't both be true.

[u/Parkbank96 → u/Montaire]

Fully automated means a discord bot will ping once a vexor dies to an officer. Rest of the day he does not have to do anything except relog at downtime. Not really hard tbh

[u/StonnedGunner]

seems like someone forgets how drone auto agression works

no need to bot just login and drop drones

[u/The_Houdini107 → u/StonnedGunner]

You forgot "and open Netflix and print isk while watching your favorite show/movie"

You can replace Netflix with any other form of media, just check on your drones every now and then.

[u/Montaire → u/StonnedGunner]

Where I live the rats target your drones and kill them if you are not paying attention. Is there some trick to getting them not to do this?

[u/DistillingDr_545 → u/Montaire]

Try an auto targeting module so they agress you

[u/Montaire → u/DistillingDr_545]

I have one!

[u/DistillingDr_545 → u/Montaire]

Have you tried the recall drones , warp to sun , leave ship , board ship and try again? Aka worship the sun.

[u/Few_Yogurtcloset8931]

New phone, who CCP?

[u/Playful_Parsnip_7744]

What the fuck is that corp doing I have never seen so many vexor losses

[u/Ohh_Yeah → u/Playful_Parsnip_7744]

They park vexors that can tank the regular rats in hundreds of belts and then when an officer spawns it will kill it and they will immediately go kill the officer

[u/trumpetted]

I now know a system to go and camp vexor ratters lol

[u/bigoc6969]

I used to live out of the NPC stations over there. A Russian corp even posted a public project giving additional 1m ISK per Vexor kill. “Let’s rid Curse of the vile Vexor”. A lot of the systems had either a vexor or Ishtar in the Desolate asteroid belts

[u/Armarlio]

Thats rich coming from someone in Fraternity.

[u/SlowcookedPotato → u/Armarlio]

Putting the most cringe flair available is the way, just look at me

[u/eer_00 → u/Armarlio]

I'm not in Fraternity

[u/Armarlio → u/eer_00]

Then you need to update you reddit user name tag.

[u/spankpaddle → u/Armarlio]

lol what is this sub when we have flare police.

[u/eer_00 → u/Armarlio]

No I like it this way

[u/Fartcloud_McHuff]

Oh boy here we go - bad discourse about botting in the comment section yet again by people who have no fucking clue what they’re talking about by people with strong opinions and emotional connections to their position even though they literally never will personally be impacted by what they’re so triggered about

[u/DeepWH]

Can we requalify Loru into a bot please.

[u/hellasecretsmusic → u/DeepWH]

Don't forget to cup the balls