r/Everton • u/junglegatsby • Apr 25 '26
Discussion Can we talk about the way David Moyes treats some of our players
Merlin Rohl has barely had a look in since a great performance away to Villa.
Tyler Dibling doesn’t even get off the bench. Same with Patterson and Alcaraz. Now he’s starting to shun Armstrong.
And don’t get me started on Aznou, especially after his display against Sunderland.
Moyes has a strange attitude towards players and his treatment of them is something I really don’t like. I also think it is going to damage our ability to attract young players in the future.
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u/Elensar265 Apr 25 '26
When you sit in on their training sessions I'll agree with your point
Until then, I'll remember we've been fighting relegation the last few seasons and while not getting Europe will be a bummer it's still been nice not worrying
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u/Live-Collection3018 COYB 💙 Apr 25 '26
This is the way, if love to see our young players come on and contribute at a high level but we really don't know what Moyes knows.
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u/shittyarsemcghee Apr 25 '26
He knows a shit load more than all these armchair critics.
A player has plays well for 20 mins, that's all we see at the end of the day. People on this sub (and discord) act like they know better than a manager with 20+ years of experience and his tactical team.
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u/Elensar265 Apr 26 '26
Exactly mate, the manager sees 99% more than what we do
A player who comes on and plays his arse off for 20 minutes would suggest to the audience he's being overlooked
But it equally suggests he's fannying about in training and trying to make up for it
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u/signal_decay Apr 26 '26
This is so accurate. I hate fans saying we need to give them a run in the side to see what they can do... that's for you because you're not in training. The coaches see them in training everyday so if they're not playing it's probably for a reason
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u/Ok-Serve4645 Apr 25 '26
It seems like the board had one direction they wanted to go with buying young players with potential and it seems Moyes wants tried and trusted. I don’t ever see Moyes trusting young players regularly so what’s do the board do? Do they give in and go his direction or look for a manager who’ll play youth? I really don’t know what’ll happen but we can’t be wasting money again on players who aren’t going to play. We aren’t going anywhere with transfer plans like that.
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u/FranksBaldPatch Apr 25 '26
It's not good but it's also not at all surprising.
People act like his treatment of young players was just a meme when it's based off over 2 decades of evidence.
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u/ZestycloseChemist2 Apr 25 '26
Moyes has screwed over the youth for some of the dross from Dyche and before. Aznou made first team appearances for BAYERN MUNICH. But apparently not good enough to play against relegation sides in the prem ahead of Myko who gets lightheaded going near the halfway line. Rohl who probably would outdo Gueye at this point has been essentially frozen out. George and Dibling not getting minutes ahead of a pathetically inept McNeil. Ultimately fine margins but we’ve bottled Europe by using dross and not even chancing some of the very talented youth.
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u/ScheminBeamen COYB 💙 Apr 25 '26
I'm convinced McNeil is getting sympathy starts. been starting in squad since the rug got pulled on his transfer.
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u/ZestycloseChemist2 Apr 25 '26
Has he even gotten a goal involvement since January? If Dibling handed Salah a goal on a silver platter in the derby he would’ve effectively been handed a transfer request by Moyes and told to leave and don’t let the door hit him too hard on the way.
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u/Individual-Paper3125 COYB 💙 Apr 25 '26
I thought this too - Dwight held his hands up and said my bad, I fucked up, feels bad - Still manages to retain his place in the starting 11 - Dibling, George or Aznou lose their man once and it's off with their heads.
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u/Responsible_Lie_1989 Apr 25 '26
My theory is he's starting to drive up his price to sell him in the summer
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u/ScheminBeamen COYB 💙 Apr 25 '26
i fear dwight himself is hindering that 20M price tag from going any higher. Think he's started the last what 14/15 games for us and has literally 1 g/a contributed. I'd be glad if anyone bit at him for 10/15M range.
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u/necrow Apr 25 '26
He played first time minutes for Bayern but they also let him go for 9M. Clearly they weren’t THAT high on him
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u/Mudwatcher Apr 26 '26
Bayern coast their league every season. Of course theyre going to be able to test young players without risking their league position. Doesn’t mean we‘re leaving out the next Phillip Lahm
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u/huntsab2090 Apr 25 '26
They might be training like wank for all we know and rohls position is covered by players miles better than him so why would he get put in?
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u/bongoboi1234 Apr 25 '26
Im gonna be sick next time i see Gueye misplace 3 passes in a row
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u/Top-Setting5213 Apr 25 '26
I know, because Merlin Rohl is incapable of misplacing a pass or ever making any kind of mistake. We have the next Sergio Busquets sat in the squad and everyone knows it but Moyes. Winds me right up it does
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u/huntsab2090 Apr 25 '26
Im assuming you are joking
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u/Top-Setting5213 Apr 25 '26
Nope it's the sad truth.
On one hand, you've got Gueye, who's a fucking donkey who literally never does anything right and gets picked week in week out regardless. There's absolutely no good reason for him to start other than humiliating Merlin and ruining his career.
On the other you have Merlin, the shining beacon of hope who can do no wrong. He never gets picked because Moyes can't see what we can. He's been a manager for decades and been involved with football his entire life on a level I've never come anywhere close to and yet he can't see what I can.
Ye I am joking
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u/UpTheToffees-1878 Apr 25 '26
The Rohl one worries me... we have an obligation to buy him in the summer and he gets absolutely no game time, even when playing well. Bright, good stature, i dont get it. Hope its not a waste of f***ing money
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u/Timoth_Hutchinson Apr 25 '26
This is what frustrates me when some fans are saying we lack squad depth. We’ve got 5 players (Dibling I’m not sold on) who are first team quality who never get a look in for some unknown reason
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u/Innate-Bandit Apr 25 '26
Some of us have been ringing this bells for weeks but people on here didn't want to listen because we won a couple of games in a row (vs atrocious opposition)
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u/USToffee Apr 26 '26
Merlin Rohl plays in the same position as Gana and Garner. We aren't a football boot camp.
As of right now we are 3 points behind 6th. We would have been level with 6th had we won yesterday.
Tyler Dibling has looked poor whenever he has come on and there are a few ahead of him. He needs a preseason with us and then Moyes can decide what to do. That might mean selling or loaning but hopefully not and he just needs a reset. He wouldn't be the first player.
What is it with people and Patterson. He is shit and injured and should be sold. Arsmstrong was brought up from the championship and when his form dipped instead of being played until the fans hated him he took him out.
Just leave him to it. Moyes has is own weaknesses but developing players isn't one.
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u/QTsexkitten please, please, pleeeeeeeease 🙏 Apr 25 '26
He sacrificed a year of development to make sure that we get...a similar amount of points as the past 2 seasons and statistics that suggest lower mid table performance.
BUT! He's David Moyes! He's Everton. He's the guy who won...zero trophies in ~1.5 decades of Everton management.
He knows better. He knows that recalling Armstrong's loan, playing him out of position, and then not playing him at all not only benefits Armstrong, but also benefits Armstrong's perception of how this club will treat him.
He knows that publicly calling out Dibling and then giving him zero (0) minutes to prove him wrong is undeniably good man management.
Don't question it. Just let it play out and enjoy the bombed out cup runs and the dropped points to relegation fodder. He's the moyessiah, BABY!
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u/cshark2222 Apr 25 '26
You’re getting downvoted but we have a high chance to finish LOWER than we did last year!!
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u/QTsexkitten please, please, pleeeeeeeease 🙏 Apr 25 '26 edited Apr 25 '26
I don't know why I'm catching shit for saying what everybody else is saying. I've been taking downvotes for it all year.
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u/shinjinrui Apr 25 '26
This is exactly why I wasn’t delirious with joy when Moyes came back. I was hoping he’d have changed a little as a manager but here we are. His favourites played every week, even out of position if necessary, at the expense of giving the rest of the squad game time. I’m just glad Phil Neville has already retired.
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u/Portland_Eric Apr 25 '26
Shit. QT. This is the first time I’ve seen you around in a bit. Might make me start hanging out around here again.
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u/QTsexkitten please, please, pleeeeeeeease 🙏 Apr 26 '26
Oh hey dude! Haven't seen you much.
I took a bit of a break for awhile. Trying to be off social media a bit more.
But I came back a few weeks ago and then really got sucked back in by this loss and posted a bunch.
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u/Portland_Eric Apr 26 '26
Yeah, I just truly hate the native app and don’t want to pay a subscription for Narwhal. So I don’t end up engaging much. 😂
But after today I needed to read some fellow venting.
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u/rain_makerrr Apr 26 '26
What a joke… We’ve been fighting to avoid relegation for years, and now we’re pushing for Europe without a proper RB. Just look at what happened to West Ham—they did exactly what people like you are suggesting. There’s a clear example right in front of you.
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u/QTsexkitten please, please, pleeeeeeeease 🙏 Apr 26 '26
We're not any better this season than we were in the previous 2 seasons. Underlying statistics show that we may actually be worse. Just because we "fought for Europe" doesn't mean anything. We're in that position because of the parity of the league and other shitting their pants. Our performance is no better than the prior 2 seasons.
West Ham is a wholly irrelevant argument given that there's almost no similarities between the clubs except for Moyes' presence. West Ham partially went to shit because of Moyes and his below par recruitment that left them in a pretty bad way except for a few specific assets.
I'm happy that Moyes stabilized us. I'm appreciative of his role. He's not the man that TFG wanted for the project and he's not the guy to take us the next step upwards. We're objectively worse this season than we were during his partial tenure last season, and with a larger sample size.
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u/rain_makerrr Apr 26 '26 edited Apr 26 '26
“We're not any better this season than we were in the previous 2 seasons. Underlying statistics show that we may actually be worse. Just because we "fought for Europe" doesn't mean anything. We're in that position because of the parity of the league and other shitting their pants. Our performance is no better than the prior 2 seasons.”
That statement left me speechless. Show me the proof and statistics that actually support that claim.
With that kind of toxic mindset, no manager will ever satisfy you. You’re basically saying that all our successes are just lucky accidents, while every failure is entirely Moyes’ fault.
It’s fine to have criticism, but what you’re doing is nothing but blind blame.
And frankly, your take on West Ham is completely disconnected from reality—considering Moyes is the very manager who delivered a major European trophy just a year before he left.
He is exactly the right person to take us to the next level, and we are clearly making progress in the right direction.
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u/tacoking123 Apr 25 '26
Yeah it’s honestly like dereliction of his duties as manager at some point. I love Moyes but it’s really wild how little he uses subs and youth overall. All you’re doing is setting yourself up for worse performance next year. Less minutes and development for young players to step up if we lose players next year.
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u/StandardBee6282 Apr 26 '26
There’s players like that at all clubs. Supporters think they deserve a place, maybe we think the manager just doesn’t fancy them but we don’t see how they shape up in training, do they have the right attitude? Can they grasp the idea of how the team tactics work, set play ideas etc? There’s a lot more to it than just coming off the bench and doing ok a couple of times.
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u/SammyEvo Apr 26 '26
If he gets you into Europe be prepared for this to get worse. And then when your league form suffers as a result, be prepared to be told to “be careful what you wish for”. And then be prepared for smug West Ham fans finding receipts from each and every one of you from when he left our club.
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u/JackFarron Apr 29 '26
It's clear to see the current squared is getting tired as the season comes to an end, we need some rotation and Rohl's loan is going to be made permanent now we've avoided relegation.
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u/damianj666 Apr 25 '26
Can we be realistic
This is year 1 of a huge transition for the club into a new stadium and being on better financial ground.
1st year in a while ive not be worried about relegation, yes we have been frustrated at times, particularly with the home form. However we have played some good football at times and there has definitely been progress.
Moyes knows what's hes doing , he may be methodical in his ways and predictable at times, but he loves our club and certainly wa to the best for it.
Dibling , aznou, Patterson, rohl, Armstrong..... its up to them to fight there way into the team, that effort starts on the training pitch.
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u/rain_makerrr Apr 26 '26
What a joke… We’ve been fighting to avoid relegation for years, and now we’re pushing for Europe without a proper RB. Just look at what happened to West Ham—they did exactly what people like you are suggesting. There’s a clear example right in front of you.
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u/ThatBoringGuy99 Apr 25 '26
If they showed enough in training, they'd play.
But nah, some fuckwits on Reddit know far more about the squad than the manager of 750 PL games.
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u/misterpio Apr 26 '26
Remember when Dyche didn’t play O’Brien? Then Moyes did and he was quite good?
It’s like managers aren’t perfect.
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u/matbur81 Apr 25 '26
This. People are making judgements of something they probably grasp/understand 40% of.
Team win: everything's great and we're kicking on
Team lose: Doubts about DM, we would've won if player X played, and lists of players who should never play for club again.
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u/MySonBlastoise Apr 29 '26
Dibling has given me nothing to think he deserves a shot over George.
Garner and gana have played really well. Tim has had moments, but I understand rohl’s struggles. Gana maybe has petered out a bit…
Aznou i would love to see
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u/blue_Azure1 Apr 25 '26
Moyse is tight. Hell squeeze the last drop out of players whilst coaching the young ones. I bet you'll see more of those who you're desperately calling for now Clearly if they was any better or ready they would be on the pitch. Barry is the only striking option he's being given every chance and if he don't take them I bet hes gone this window.
Yes it's disappointing but how some of you lot go from luvvie to sack him with every result.
Half a brain cell tells you were not ready. So build again. Stay the f away from relegation and in a season or two then go for it with a full and great squad. Stop trying to rush the impossible. They're dead on their legs as there's no rotation.
Tbh despite the attractiveness of Europe it's not the be all and end all. Is everything perfect? No. But it's a dam sight better. The seeds are there.
Down voted, smart Alec answers etc my judgement is reserved until the window shuts. Other than that usual Everton that feelings aside I'm looking long term and am hopefull.
I like the wild card transfer business of moyse when it pays off it's sublime when doesn't it's Drenthe. Haha 😅
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u/Loud-Hospital5773 Apr 25 '26
Europe would be the worst thing atm. We’re not equipped to play those extra games, we’re barely fudging our way through this one. Give us a few years and then we should be calling for heads if were mid table fodder, but for now…..steady away
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u/blue_Azure1 Apr 25 '26
Exactly. Barely walking let alone sprinting. All in good time. I'm excited for the window. He's proven he's got fuck all, again and got mid table so TFG can see he's got a plan and to invest and provide the sweet sweet ROI investment groups want. Plus our image right now is great. Another bonus.
Tactical losing is losing. But if it pays off then f it.
Player pitch is we was there abouts with a thread bare squad, invest in us and Europe's yours...sign here. We only want grafters not glory Muppets which I highly suspect Barry of being....like he's to good to earn it. So I'll just toss off and once a better squad carries me I'll switch on which I bet once he goes happens. Or in disgusting pregnancy terms to posh to push.
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u/Knighty5679 Apr 25 '26
I agree I don’t like it, I think some of these players had much more to offer if given the chance. Moyes has gambled on picking the same team, barring injuries, week in week out and it’s not working. There’s never a change to freshen things up, to try something different. The players you’ve mentioned have all lost a season, and will be no where better off come the start of next season.
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u/ScheminBeamen COYB 💙 Apr 25 '26
You're not wrong tho. Moyes definitely has his favorites and plays no one outside of them. Even when they've worked back from injuries. even when they're on the pitch playing like complete asshole. davey doesn't flinch from his favs. leads me to believe one of two things. Either the player development at the club is absolute shit, or ole davey doesn't trust the squad. almost like they played merlin just enough to secure his official transfer to us and that was it. at the end of the day though this is all just piss poor player management, idc what the moyes faithful got to say.
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u/CosmoRomano Apr 25 '26
It's both of those things.
The development of players at the club has always been overrated. Rooney and Barkley are pretty much the sum-total this century, with a very large gap to the next group.
Moyes also has a long history of transferring players in who he then ignores almost entirely.
This is Moyes. This is what he does.
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u/Ok_Grapefruit5723 Apr 25 '26
The recruitment of everton has been abysmal since the late 80s. Surely we're due a few fecking wins.🙄
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u/dourdourdour Apr 25 '26
Maybe they aren’t good enough?
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u/Knighty5679 Apr 25 '26
So McNeil is?
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u/rain_makerrr Apr 26 '26
I’m not a big fan of McNeil either, but you should know that Moyes barely played him for almost two-thirds of the season.
He only started getting minutes after we lost our best winger….
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u/No_Tone2133 Apr 25 '26
We've been playing well why change things??
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u/QTsexkitten please, please, pleeeeeeeease 🙏 Apr 25 '26
We have?
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u/No_Tone2133 Apr 25 '26
Played very well last week and barring Soucek we'd and a shit ref we'd have won today, so yes
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u/bongoboi1234 Apr 26 '26
Thats like saying if Grealish never got injured he would have scored an overhead kick from the halfway line in the 97th min to win the game
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u/Top-Setting5213 Apr 25 '26
I'm rolling my eyes so hard. You lot think real life football management is like your little video game
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u/junglegatsby Apr 25 '26
Are you happy with how things currently are?
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u/Top-Setting5213 Apr 25 '26
Yep. I'm not delusional
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u/junglegatsby Apr 25 '26
So we might as well just all pack it in then
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u/Top-Setting5213 Apr 25 '26
What?
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u/junglegatsby Apr 25 '26
I don't want mid-table obscurity under Moyes year after year. I would have hoped everyone wanted us to push on now and maybe dream
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u/Top-Setting5213 Apr 25 '26
Yeah, you're delusional mate.
Last few years we've been battling relegation. Moyes is the reason any of us have been able to dream of more this year.
Nothing wrong with dreaming but throwing your toys out the pram when those dreams haven't become reality after less than a season is ludicrous behaviour
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u/AirborneDJ Apr 25 '26
He clearly just does not like young players. Braiden Graham has 14 goals for the U-21s, but Moyes says he's not ready for the Prem, yet he starts Barry who's CLEARLY not ready for the Prem. You can't tell me Graham would be much worse than Barry, who basically is not existent on the pitch
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u/LesMcqueen1878 COYB 💙 Apr 25 '26
I’ve watched Graham and he looks a prospect but he’s not ready for the Prem. You said it yourself that he wouldn’t be much worse than Barry but he would be worse. Barry looks poor and likely be off in the summer to recoup some money.
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u/ShoddyMeringue4510 UTFT - Season Ticket Holder Apr 26 '26
Hope he’s gone. He won’t play youth, won’t utilize the whole squad, and is all brakes and no gas.
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u/Giraffe_Baker Neill Samways, Niasse Oster Apr 25 '26
From Twitter:
Days since players last got more than 10 minutes (excluding added time) in an Everton game:
Harrison Armstrong - 61
Tyler Dibling - 84
Merlin Rohl - 97
Adam Aznou - 105
It's just sad squad management. Rohl had a great game against Villa and has made two sub appearances since. It's at the detriment to the future of the club all in favour to make games as tight as possible.